Disk Setup
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David W. Jones
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App loaded on internal boot drive, external Thunderbolt raid 0 12TB for editing.
I have a Windows machine, so no Thunderbold. An I would like to have it internal cause it is cheaper!
Here the specs:
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ASUS P9X79
GTX 770 4GB
32 GB G.Skill RAM 2133Mhz.
Samsung SSD 250 C-Drive
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ASUS P9X79
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32 GB G.Skill RAM 2133Mhz.
Samsung SSD 250 C-Drive
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I have a Windows machine, so no Thunderbold. An I would like to have it internal cause it is cheaper!
Here the specs:
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ASUS P9X79
GTX 770 4GB
32 GB G.Skill RAM 2133Mhz.
Samsung SSD 250 C-Drive [/TD]
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Here the specs:
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ASUS P9X79
GTX 770 4GB
32 GB G.Skill RAM 2133Mhz.
Samsung SSD 250 C-Drive [/TD]
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David W. Jones
Veteran
Thunderbolt is available for Windows.
Since you want internal, how much internal drive space do you have, excluding your boot drive?
Since you want internal, how much internal drive space do you have, excluding your boot drive?
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Here's what I recommend as a starting point for good performance.
C: System (Windows and Programs)
D: Projects (Project files, still images, titles, audio files, etc.)
E: Cache (Scratch disks and Media Cache)
F: Media (Camera media only)
G: Exports
Plus some type of backup solution for at least the project files and media.
Get those five separate drives in place before you start building RAID arrays. Once you have all five, then consider RAID 1 for C and D. With most camera media, a RAID 1 is fine for F as well. With Uncompressed, RAW or 4K ProRes/DNxHD, than a RAID 3 might be needed for F (skip RAID 5 on this, 3 is better, which means Areca controllers only). Use Raid 0 only for E and G, as those files aren't mission critical and can always be 'rebuilt' if necessary.
C: System (Windows and Programs)
D: Projects (Project files, still images, titles, audio files, etc.)
E: Cache (Scratch disks and Media Cache)
F: Media (Camera media only)
G: Exports
Plus some type of backup solution for at least the project files and media.
Get those five separate drives in place before you start building RAID arrays. Once you have all five, then consider RAID 1 for C and D. With most camera media, a RAID 1 is fine for F as well. With Uncompressed, RAW or 4K ProRes/DNxHD, than a RAID 3 might be needed for F (skip RAID 5 on this, 3 is better, which means Areca controllers only). Use Raid 0 only for E and G, as those files aren't mission critical and can always be 'rebuilt' if necessary.
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doubledark
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David,
I'm using a Mac (boot/apps drive is SSD) with FW800/USB2.
Apps that I commonly use are Premiere Pro 6, Lightroom & Photoshop.
My thoughts are to get one dual FW800 enclosure to house scratch disk (SSD) and project files (SSD) and another FW800 enclosure to house a SSD for rendering out the project
What are your thoughts and what size scratch disk would you suggest ?
Hi, Here is what I have.
All internal
Boot Drive / Applications - 256 SSD
Video Source - Keep all footage and images etc here.
5 X 2TB in RAID5 using PERC 6i (4 active and 1 hot space)
Target drive - Render to this drive - 128GB SSD
4TB External USB drive, backup for my Video Source
PS - Forgot to mention. The raid5 benchmarks at 840MB / Second read and 400MB / Second right
All internal
Boot Drive / Applications - 256 SSD
Video Source - Keep all footage and images etc here.
5 X 2TB in RAID5 using PERC 6i (4 active and 1 hot space)
Target drive - Render to this drive - 128GB SSD
4TB External USB drive, backup for my Video Source
PS - Forgot to mention. The raid5 benchmarks at 840MB / Second read and 400MB / Second right
Hi
Here is how I make these decisions. Work backwards. Start with your media and what you want to do and then figure drives for that purpose(s). Ideally you have a separate R.A.I.D. of ssd drives for every different access or write your system does. Okay, done with that fantasy. Now let's get real. (note to self -> some people do approach that standard).
Let's single purpose the machine for editing. If that's not true then you must decide these issues for each program you intend to run and balance how important and how much time you spend in each program.
Now, How long, wide, and many are your inputs and outputs.
LONG: feature film or 30 second commercial? Big space difference.
WIDE: Standard Definition, High Definition, 4K? Big differences in GPU RAM, RAM, Disk space, Bus type (a Bus is the interconnection of different parts of the computer with each other or the outside).
MANY: How many input streams (3 cameras, audio, images). How many outputs and what type (low compression master?).
Once you have decided all the above you have a couple of directions. Consult someone with experience and tell them the exact answers to the above and see what they say. Or, start small and keep adding stuff until it runs well or you are out of $$.
Here is my current machine, a couple of years old now. I cut long events, like two hours presentations as a volunteer. Primary purpose of the machine is programming working with video and coding for video games as day job.
C: OS DRIVE 500GB ssd Samsung 850 Evo OS and some programs
D: PAGE DRIVE Old 100GB ssd for page
E: PROJECTS DRIVE 2TB hard drive for software and projects
F: SCRATCH DRIVE 250 GB Samsung Evo 840 PRO (old c: drive...) for scratch
G: MEDIA DRIVE 4 TB Hard drive
H: EXPORTS DRIVE 2TB hard drive
Two external USB3 hard drives 2TB, 4TB for imaging, backup, transfer,and whatever. Lots of flash drives....
This is not ideal, not even for my purposes. But it runs fast enough that I don't need to pay attention to make it better. Setting up the programming parts is very long and detailed affair so making changes is not something I want to do much. Hope something here helps. Everyone is different in their needs, budget and skill set.
We all keep learning!
Here is how I make these decisions. Work backwards. Start with your media and what you want to do and then figure drives for that purpose(s). Ideally you have a separate R.A.I.D. of ssd drives for every different access or write your system does. Okay, done with that fantasy. Now let's get real. (note to self -> some people do approach that standard).
Let's single purpose the machine for editing. If that's not true then you must decide these issues for each program you intend to run and balance how important and how much time you spend in each program.
Now, How long, wide, and many are your inputs and outputs.
LONG: feature film or 30 second commercial? Big space difference.
WIDE: Standard Definition, High Definition, 4K? Big differences in GPU RAM, RAM, Disk space, Bus type (a Bus is the interconnection of different parts of the computer with each other or the outside).
MANY: How many input streams (3 cameras, audio, images). How many outputs and what type (low compression master?).
Once you have decided all the above you have a couple of directions. Consult someone with experience and tell them the exact answers to the above and see what they say. Or, start small and keep adding stuff until it runs well or you are out of $$.
Here is my current machine, a couple of years old now. I cut long events, like two hours presentations as a volunteer. Primary purpose of the machine is programming working with video and coding for video games as day job.
C: OS DRIVE 500GB ssd Samsung 850 Evo OS and some programs
D: PAGE DRIVE Old 100GB ssd for page
E: PROJECTS DRIVE 2TB hard drive for software and projects
F: SCRATCH DRIVE 250 GB Samsung Evo 840 PRO (old c: drive...) for scratch
G: MEDIA DRIVE 4 TB Hard drive
H: EXPORTS DRIVE 2TB hard drive
Two external USB3 hard drives 2TB, 4TB for imaging, backup, transfer,and whatever. Lots of flash drives....
This is not ideal, not even for my purposes. But it runs fast enough that I don't need to pay attention to make it better. Setting up the programming parts is very long and detailed affair so making changes is not something I want to do much. Hope something here helps. Everyone is different in their needs, budget and skill set.
We all keep learning!
Hi
Here is a really good paper posted elsewhere on this forum by Doubledark:
http://www.adobe.com/content/dam/Ado...whitepaper.pdf
Here is a really good paper posted elsewhere on this forum by Doubledark:
http://www.adobe.com/content/dam/Ado...whitepaper.pdf
I have a raid 5 array as backup for the 7-8? other random hdd's that I used to have lying about my laptop. My raid 5 array is off the motherboard (fake raid, off an asus z9pe-d8 ws mobo)....which is not cool iff the mobo dies. Currently looking at an external SAS solution, with a raid card to a 24 hdd enclosure with SAS expander. However they're really noisy and hard to import into scandinavia (thinking of the old Norco enclosures). Website servethehome has a bit of info on that. I backup to unlimited backup service (jottaclout), but frankly with 10 mbps up, too slow for hd vid, and god forbid iff I pick up a 4k camera. Perhaps doable with 100 mbps up/fiber.
Would strongly recommend raid6 (expensive with the extra hdd!) and spending the extra monies on reliable hdd's (stay away from seagate!)..I have WD Red NAS consumer drives, so far so good...but have had numerous failures with both WD Green from 2 years ago (3 tb) and especially seagate (multiple failures of their external 2-3 tb versions). My thoughts as to raid...want a proper raid card as well...but with battery backup so that it's independent of motherboard if that should fail. Seagate archive 8 tb drives are cheap and tempting, but not yet willing to trust them. Hdd's are not proper backup either, but at this point the (VERY EXPENSIVE!!!!!) tape drive archive solutions aren't really a solution for any but larger corporations etc.
Frankly, iff you're like me and on a limited budget...up your internet upload speeds to the maximum..and unlimited online storage....then start looking at raid 5-6 solutions for local backup. Just remember to upload effectively online, you pbly need around 30+ mbps up (i.e. fiber) or it will take months to backup even hd vid files...
That was my 2 cents anyway! But yeah can't get too paranoid about data! Even (iff you're like me and only use for home use!)..losing data is just tragic!
Would strongly recommend raid6 (expensive with the extra hdd!) and spending the extra monies on reliable hdd's (stay away from seagate!)..I have WD Red NAS consumer drives, so far so good...but have had numerous failures with both WD Green from 2 years ago (3 tb) and especially seagate (multiple failures of their external 2-3 tb versions). My thoughts as to raid...want a proper raid card as well...but with battery backup so that it's independent of motherboard if that should fail. Seagate archive 8 tb drives are cheap and tempting, but not yet willing to trust them. Hdd's are not proper backup either, but at this point the (VERY EXPENSIVE!!!!!) tape drive archive solutions aren't really a solution for any but larger corporations etc.
Frankly, iff you're like me and on a limited budget...up your internet upload speeds to the maximum..and unlimited online storage....then start looking at raid 5-6 solutions for local backup. Just remember to upload effectively online, you pbly need around 30+ mbps up (i.e. fiber) or it will take months to backup even hd vid files...
That was my 2 cents anyway! But yeah can't get too paranoid about data! Even (iff you're like me and only use for home use!)..losing data is just tragic!
Well given your rather simple intro to the thread, guess you got a bit more exhaustive replies! than your were expecting! I haven't looked up your mobo...but you could likely enable ssd caching for some of those hdd's (just remember, you lose all data once you set that up!). Much faster reads, but not so much writing.
Raid: Raid 6 is one more hdd expensive than raid 5, but that much more redundancy...preferable. However your mobo won't support it...for that you need a proper (and somewhat expensive 2-500 usd) raid card. And preferably with an extra battery backup (in case you have a BSOD, your raid card can remember settings and shut down after computer saving data and your hdd's...strongly recommended! But another extra 100 bucks). On the plus side, you can migrate your raid setup with a raid/battery hdd etc to the new computer. But yeah, a lot of dough, prbly as much as your computer...
Raid: Raid 6 is one more hdd expensive than raid 5, but that much more redundancy...preferable. However your mobo won't support it...for that you need a proper (and somewhat expensive 2-500 usd) raid card. And preferably with an extra battery backup (in case you have a BSOD, your raid card can remember settings and shut down after computer saving data and your hdd's...strongly recommended! But another extra 100 bucks). On the plus side, you can migrate your raid setup with a raid/battery hdd etc to the new computer. But yeah, a lot of dough, prbly as much as your computer...