different gamma's???

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hey fellas and ladies, I am new to the forums and need some info about the different gamma's in my dvx-100b. I love the 24p look but I recently shot a commercial with the f5 scene file and when I watched the footage I saw on a TV the colors were very saturated, I normally shoot commericals on my JVC GY-DV5000 and the footage between the 2 is very different, I just don't know enough about what looks good and what doesn't....help!?!

Thanks in Advance!

droid
 
You really should adjust the colors in your editor using a production monitor, calibrated properly.

Second best: a tv instead of a production monitor. Also calibrated as much as possible (it'll depend on what controls the TV has).

3rd best: a calibrated computer monitor...but it'll not be as close as the other two. Computer monitors are just different in how they do color....but you can set them kinda close. And change their gamma to something reasonable. :)
 
Hey Droid, what did you think of your footage as compared to you DV5000? I'm considering a DVX myself, but am having a hard time letting go of the 1/2 chips and Canon 19x IF lens on my DV500. Glass is so important, I'm wondering if the benefits the DVX has outweigh the limitations.
 
< I love the 24p look but I recently shot a commercial with the f5 scene file and when I watched the footage I saw on a TV the colors were very saturated>

I think in about every post on here I have made I have said that most DV is shot way too saturated. I think that is one of the things that makes DV look cheesy and obvious. It amazes me how people will try every sort of technique to get the matching gamma curve, brightness level, dof, tint, cinemotion, but they over saturate and negate the whole deal. Celluloid is NOT bold in it's colors...pay close attention when you go to the movies instead of focusing on DVD's. DVD's are played on tiny screens and have been touched up for TV, and have the NTSC judder thrown back in. They no longer resemble the original projected image at the theatre.
 
I concur, DPs love Vision 320 filmstock specifically for it's desaturated tones.
I love the desaturated look. I bring the chroma down to -7 on my DVX100 and I get compliments all the time from other DVX owners on how "filmic" my footage looks.

Pumped up chroma is one myth about how to get video to "look like film".

The other is a narrow shutter angle, but don't even get me started on that one...

-j
 
<Pumped up chroma is one myth about how to get video to "look like film".>

It seems like many people confuse "filmlike" with what movies look like on TV instead of actual filmstock. I have never heard of people pumping up the chroma to get "filmlikeness" How bizarre.
 
Lakmir0 said:
Celluloid is NOT bold in it's colors...pay close attention when you go to the movies instead of focusing on DVD's. .
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Which movies?

Don't confuse the current rash of turn-the-color-down flicks with what film looks like, either. They do just as much screwing around with the color as people using video.
 
<Don't confuse the current rash of turn-the-color-down flicks with what film looks like, either. They do just as much screwing around with the color as people using video.>

Gen, every movie I have ever seen in a theatre or projected on my home projector is far less saturated than most clips on here.
 
Are you referring to Blair Witch Project? If so, I was not talking about that much desaturation. I was referring to people who record with Gain at 12-18dB.
 
No, I meant The Wizard of Oz, and every other Technicolor film. The under-saturated look is a recent phenomenomenumon.

Color films used to be in color. :)
 
I wouldn't know as far as those films go because I never saw what the film stock looks like for them. I always assumed that the saturation they have watching them now was b/c of digital remastering and CC. I admit, I cannot fairly judge that since I don't go back that far to have seen one of those movies in the theatre.
 
The box'll usually say if it has been remastered (they'll crow about it in many cases).

As for a theater...the'll reissue some of them from time-to-timem, and there are specialty houses that run 'em a lot. Gone With The Wind is, after all, a bit more effective on a big screen than a tny trinitron. :)
 
Haha good one Gen...sorry Lakmir0. That was great. I think you might have just showed your youth. Wizard of Oz Man! The film is completely desaturated (B+W) until the house falls on the Witch. Then Dorothy walks into Oz and you see one of the most brilliantly colorful scenes in the history of film IMO. EDIT:Damn didn't see page 2.
-Ryan

PS. I shot my first short at 18db on a DSR 500 in order to make it look more like film (my thought was increasing the grain, but I suppose it does desaturate the image quite a bit as well). I thought the result came out pretty good, but I would never degrade my image that much again. We also didn't know ANYTHING about color correction at that time. Now I'd rather start clean and fairly neutral and play with the look in post.
 
In fact, to go a step further, technically, no older films were filmed in color. They were filmed using two reels of b/w film (one with red filter, one with blue-green filter) and then projected using respective filters. This was known as technicolor.
 
WOW! Lak is a bit over the top... Well I like it here in DVX-land and I did see the Wizard projected. It was amazing. Yes 3 reel B&W stocks, cameras as big as VW's & craftsmen who wow'ed their audiences. Imagine that. Film making. I like post and everything, but I still say learn your craft & kill your computer.

Image is the reason for the season, not banter about this 'kinda stuff.

Lots of Love,
Steve
 
Lakmir gets a weeklong time-out for clear violations of two DVXUser policies, name-calling and personal attacks. Offending posts have been removed.
 
Oh man, I missed it! Was he gunnin' for me? If he sees this when he comes back, I hope he knows I just thought it was funny. I didn't mean to offend.
-Ryan
 
And, as far as multiple B&W films strips go..."color" film is like that, too. It's just that the 3 strips are sandwiched together instead of separate. (At least some of them...maybe all...it's been years since I cared.)
 
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