Different fps- same project

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Robin Mervin

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I am putting together a demo reel with different video clips. I want to edit everything together into one file with transitions, etc. Some of the clips were shot with 24p, some are HD, and some at 29.970.

The problem is that I have the project setting under properties at NTSC DV 24p, which makes the HD video look shaky. If I change the project setting to HD, it throws off the 24p, etc.

Is there way to edit all of these files together in one project, and make them look correct?
 
Jubal28 said:
Editing on a 60i timeline will be your best bet.
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Also consider taking the 24P footage and rendering it out to 29.97 NTSC AVI file ... then bring it back into the project to work withing your 29.97 timeline.
 
You don't need to render out your 24p file. If you captured it with Vegas, it was captured as a 29.97 file with pulldown flags. You can edit at will on a 29.97 timeline.

Vegas captures at 29.97 and then removes pulldown ONLY when the clip is dropped into a 24p timeline. Otherwise, it's 29.97 just like any other DV.

You can even switch the project properties on the fly and go from 29.97 to 24p and back, at will.
 
I would try a comblination of what everyone here has said with one small exception. I wouldn't use one timeline or project. I would convert all of my clips to one format (UNCOMPRESSED VIDEO), lets say NTSC Dv. That done I would start a new project with those settings and just bring everything in. That way, Vegas is not resampling or adjusting everything, since they are all in the same format.

That is the method I use primarily for motion graphics/video, and compresed/uncompressed audio, and it oftend yelids the best results.

Hope that helps


EDIT: Envision, didn't fully read your post. Didn't mean to step on your toes.
 
NTSC DV is highly compressed. Also, the resampling is going to happen one way or the other if you’re mixing SD and HD – no way around that.

24p DV is already DV – it can be edited in 60i with no resampling needed (which is the point of pulldown), especially the way Vegas handles it.
 
I've always heard, though, that there's a difference between working with 24P & 24PA. If you're working 24PA, you must work within a 24P timeline ... 24P, however, can work within a 60i/29.97 timeline.
 
There’s a little bit of truth to that, but it’s far from absolute.

The 2:3:3:2 pulldown will produce more of a noticeable stutter in clips with a lot of motion, because there are two frames which are being made into three fields, prolonging how long they are on screen. So, the motion *may* look a little jumpier; but then, it may not. (Will be very, very slight if it does.) For that reason, if you’re going to edit 60i, 24pN is preferred, but not required. Physically, you can edit 24pA in 60i just the same as 24pN. They’re both 60i when they’re recorded to tape.
 
I might be a dummy here, but I am confused. I have always shot 24p and edited on a 29.97 timeline, then rendered the finished project out as NTSC DV 24p. I dont understand the whole timeline issue in Vegas and would really REALLY appreciate some light shed on it.

If all I shoot it 24p with slow pans and also talent movement in frame, does it make sense to edit like I stated above, or is there a better way to get better results from my camera and NLE. When do you choose one timeline over another for 24p editing?

Thanks,
Terri
 
If you’re working in Vegas, there’s no reason not be editing 24p – A or N – on a 24p timeline. If your footage is 24p, edit in 24p. I know a lot of other NLEs make it far more complicated than it should be and it scares people away from 24p timelines, but really, using Vegas, it’s all good. You don’t have to do anything special and you won’t find editing in 24p any different from editing in 60i (29.97), except that your interlace artifacts will disappear.

Now, if you're mixing framerates, there might be reasons for editing in 60i. But if it's all 24p, stick to 24p.
 
Jubal28 said:
If you’re working in Vegas, there’s no reason not be editing 24p – A or N – on a 24p timeline. If your footage is 24p, edit in 24p. I know a lot of other NLEs make it far more complicated than it should be and it scares people away from 24p timelines, but really, using Vegas, it’s all good. You don’t have to do anything special and you won’t find editing in 24p any different from editing in 60i (29.97), except that your interlace artifacts will disappear.

Now, if you're mixing framerates, there might be reasons for editing in 60i. But if it's all 24p, stick to 24p.
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I have seen you refer to 24pN. Until now I've not seen that word use. Thats just what most of us call standard 24p right? And what does the "N" stand for?
 
N = "normal." Not sure who started it, but a number of people regularly used the "N" to avoid any confusion between 24pA and standard 24p, especially on these message boards. Habit, I guess, but one which keeps things clear.
 
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