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Batutta

Batutta

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If quantum theory is correct, and every possible moment in time exists in an infinite number of universes, does that mean every dream I have at night also exists in infinite permutations in infinite universes?
 
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Sounds right, This Dimensions nightmare is another dimensions dream.

Or

This Dimensions "The Room" is anothers "Citizen Kane"
 
Suppose your dreams actually are what's going on in your alternative dimension.

-Nate
 
I wouldn't sweat it... infinity is a convenient way to label something beyond current resolution (intellectual, optical, scientific)... at best your nightmare probably had better contrast in the plasma universe.

To me the worst thought about all that quantum theory stuff... and repeating big bang - big crunch theory... is that technically everything that has ever happened or will happen is fate based on the first oscillation, because when everything starts at, or returns to... only a super-dense "particle" in an otherwise complete void... all the variables of direction and choice are set back to absolute zero... and every detail would unfurl in exactly the same way.

I'd hate to think that I've pissed my pants in kindergarden and had to wear red corduroys from the nurses office an "infinite" number of times.

It makes me wonder how I'd live my life differently if I knew for certain that every choice was going to be repeated an infinite number of times... or perhaps even this very sentence has already been typed a few dozen, or few million... times.
 
I'm not so sure I buy the anthropocentric interpretation of this. I don't think every particle having every possible state necessarily translates into every moment of a human's life having infinite possibilities. I mean, maybe there had been so many divergences up to the point of our evolution that by that point, we are the only possible universe that looks like this.

Just read a great great book called "From Eternity to Here" about entropy and the nature of Time. Talks about some of this stuff in great detail. One of the best physics books for laymen I've ever read.
 
I'm not seeing why this has to mean everything is fated. The basic premise is that all possible answers are necessarily true. That means that, as time moves forward for us, any of the possible outcomes could be the one observed.
 
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Cassius said:
I'm not seeing why this has to mean everything is fated. The basic premise is that all possible answers are necessarily true. That means that, as time moves forward for us, any of the possible outcomes could be the one observed.
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The reason it means everything is fated is because for each universe (in string theory) where the beginning all started from the same "core" with NO variables to influence the outcome... other then the variables created AFTER the beginning... BY the event... well... UNLESS we're on the first run through... that all events would likely unfold in the exact same way on each "oscillation" of the system.

Of course we could be living the very first run of the "program"...

But if every action has an equal and opposite reaction... according to the variables introduced to the experiment... then an infinite universe of infinite universes spawned from the same initial 1 > 2 (particle : void) relationship (having NO variables)... means that the same things would just happen every time... that butterfly on the deck rail... uncle Bob's cancer... all of it.

Of course I could be wrong and maybe chaos theory and string theory are at odds on this stuff... but I think if it all started from a particle > void system then there really is no chaos... just a vast universe of mappable cause and effect.
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Mark Harris said:
I'm not so sure I buy the anthropocentric interpretation of this. I don't think every particle having every possible state necessarily translates into every moment of a human's life having infinite possibilities. I mean, maybe there had been so many divergences up to the point of our evolution that by that point, we are the only possible universe that looks like this.
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Ditto.
 
Batutta said:
If quantum theory is correct, and every possible moment in time exists in an infinite number if universes, does that mean every dream I have at night also exists in infinite permutations in infinite universes?
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Ah the multi-verse..

Not quite, there may be multiple 'universes' however there is nothing to suggest that they would be remotely configured like our universe. Almost all of them would be 'dead' universes. Life permitting parameters are so nano-pico-uber small as to be almost non-existent, for Intelligent life forms that's even worse....

But all this talk about multi-verse is all conceptual and without scientific proof, heck even the maths have yet to be proven, string theory anyone?

What does exist right here and right now, is superposition, photons can and do exist in two places at the same time.

The MOST efficient power translation are Plants specifically Photosynthesis. This process uses the rules of superposition to 'find' the near perfect route by simultaneously taking multiple routes.
 
Conceptually (well, going by the Copenhagen Interpretation) the 'infinite universes' (really, possible quantum states) are only possibilities to *us* until the collapse of the quantum state vector which gives us an observable result in *this* universe.

There's no experimental indication that the possible universes exist as a macro- rather than nano-scale phenomenon.
 
Sad Max said:
Conceptually (well, going by the Copenhagen Interpretation) the 'infinite universes' (really, possible quantum states) are only possibilities to *us* until the collapse of the quantum state vector which gives us an observable result in *this* universe.
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My anthropocentric interpretation of reality says that when I hold my hand in front of my eyes you don't exist... I'm sure that's possible in an alternate uiniverse... also... in that alternate uiniverse it's actually spelled that way.

Crap... I just cause a rip in the time-space discontinuum.
 
We could set up an experiment to test that hypothesis.

I'll hold a paintball gun. We'll tape a bullseye to the front of your jeans. When you interpose barrier *a* - your hand - between sensor (your eyes) and target (me), thus establishing the conditions under which you hypothesize I cease to exist - I shoot a couple paintballs into the bullseye. If your sensory/detection equipment registers the impact of paintballs, that can be interpreted as strongly indicative of my existence as a paintball emitter. On the other hand, if there is no detectable paintball bombardment of your sensors, well, that would suggest that your hypothesis may in fact be correct.
 
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In the alternate universe (24b) you just painted my "jeans" and disappeared while the projectiles were in mid-flight... my reflexes were better in universe 27c where you disappeared before you pulled the trigger... and painted the crotch of Hudson in universe 108b.

Sorry Hudson... that was partially my bad... why were you standing in for that experiment anyway?
 
You start squeezing the trigger as fast as you can... and I'll keep peeking between my fingers.

Cue the banjo music!
 
Sad Max said:
Conceptually (well, going by the Copenhagen Interpretation) the 'infinite universes' (really, possible quantum states) are only possibilities to *us* until the collapse of the quantum state vector which gives us an observable result in *this* universe.

There's no experimental indication that the possible universes exist as a macro- rather than nano-scale phenomenon.
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That's what I was trying to say in much less articulate form...

I'm glad Max is here to say all the things I wish I had said...
 
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