CS5 Premiere sound syncing workflow advice please...

Lucas Adamson

Lucas Adamson

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I find sound syncing in the timeline an easy and straightforward task, but it's the next stage that I need advice with.

After syncing up my good external audio with my camera audio, and then deleting the camera crap-audio, I then re-link the new audio with the video. So far, great!

But then what? What I really want to do is make a new sub-clip reference to throw back in a bin - right now I have a whole bunch of synced up footage in a timeline, and chopping them up from there's no way to edit, is it?

How does one go about making sub-clips (a FCP term) or whatever else works please.

All advice greatly appreciated...

Lucas
 
I use Pluraleyes (which creates this automatically), but IIRC, there should be a 'link' option that will keep your the synced A/V together.
 
Thanks kenkyusha. I don't have pluraleyes - is that a CS5.5 thing?

I have linked the audio and video fine - it's the making of a sub-clip that I'm having trouble with. I can't edit properly from a bunch of clips already in the timeline - I need to get them back in the project bin, synced and ready.
 
I believe this is one of the upgrade features of Premiere CS 5.5, namely creating a 'merged clip', from a video clip (and possible camera created 'guide' track) and a second system sound track.

However, in CS5 you can create a sequence, add and align the second system sound track. You can then 'use' the sequence that you have created, 'as a clip', if you drag the sequence from the project browser window to the source window, as if it were an 'original clip'. If you double click the 'sequence' it will open up in the timeline and in the 'program' window... not what you wanted...

Items to remember when doing this. Mute the original camera sound, and ony use the second system sound. Always drag the 'sequence as clip' to the source window if one wants to make other 'subclips'. This is whether from the project browser window or for a 'sub-clip' you've placed on a subsequent sequence time line... any double clicks on this will open up the sequence in the time line and program windows...

The alternative would be to 'export' the augmented sequence, and reimport as a complete clip. I'd recommend using low or no compression audio and video codecs for this 'intermediate' clip.

"Plural Eyes" is a 3rd party tool, which many people use to perform this sort of packaging operation.
 
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Extraordinarily primitive, this oversight. Such a basic requirement overlooked until 5.5, sound sync and sub-clipping seems so essential to any realistic editing workflow.

The other overlooked obvious feature is that of being able to see your program window in fullscreen without a dedicated extra monitor.

Oh well, thanks for your advice! I've downloaded a trial of Pluraleyes, and it does seem to do the trick fairly painlessly, albeit expensively (after the trial).
 
Select the clips you want, right click and select nest. This automatically puts them in a new sequence which you can use like a clip.
 
Lucas Adamson said:
The other overlooked obvious feature is that of being able to see your program window in fullscreen without a dedicated extra monitor.
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You can fullscreen any active window in Premiere by hitting the tilde (left of 1, above Tab) key. Hitting tilde a second time minimizes it back in place.
 
Yep, in all versions of PP since at least CS4, the full screen key works. (Note that making the Program Monitor full screen is not the same as sending a full raster image to a properly calibrated external TV. It just makes the Program Monitor fill the screen, of which the video will be only part of the image.)
 
Lucas Adamson said:
Maybe in CS5.5 it does, but certainly not in CS5
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As Jim says...since at least CS4..the Tilde key functions to make any window the mouse hovers over ..a full screen display.

Oh well, thanks for your advice! I've downloaded a trial of Pluraleyes, and it does seem to do the trick fairly painlessly, albeit expensively (after the trial).
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Why did you buy Pluraleyes and not use the Clip Merge Feature... and instead...you criticised the lack of a basic feature?
 
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As Jim says...since at least CS4..the Tilde key functions to make any window the mouse hovers over ..a full screen display.



Why did you buy Pluraleyes and not use the Clip Merge Feature... and instead...you criticised the lack of a basic feature?
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The tilde on my UK Mac keyboard is (I have just discovered) next to the z key. Ah I see - that's very helpful, but not quite what I really wanted, which was a proper fullscreen render, like Final Cut Pro used to put out with the F12 key, but that's very helpful all the same. Thank you all!

I haven't paid for Pluraleyes - just using the 1 month free trial. I may though, if I get a project with a lot of footage, as it was quick, painless and very accurate, and I simply don't have "clip merge" as it is a C5.5 function, and I have a non-upgradeable version of CS5 Production Premium.
 
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I have a non-upgradeable version of CS5 Production Premium.
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Hows that? To the best of my knowledge, the only version of PP you can't upgrade is a hacked copy.

You aren't using a hacked copy, are you?
 
Maybe in USA. Not here in UK. I have checked just now. It was also made clear at purchase that it was totally non-upgradeable. I don't really know why, but then, it was cheap (£300) for Production Premium. I guess the cost of the suite is similar to a standard edition upgrade cost anyway...
 
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Lucas Adamson said:
Maybe in USA. Not here in UK. I have checked just now. It was also made clear at purchase that it was totally non-upgradeable. I don't really know why, but then, it was cheap (£300) for Production Premium.
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Could be 'regional differences'. In the past I've bought software through journeyed.com, which also has a Canadian presence, and at one time could buy 'upgrades'. But perhaps Adobe has changed their policy...
 
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