Corporate America Question

Spoken like a true Sales Team Leader :thumbsup:

Exactly why I left Corporate America. :cheesy: :laugh: :engel017:
 
John...not to turn this into a political (or existential) thread....
but you realize that none of us can ever really leave corporate america, right?
:)
We just don't work within it anymore.

Ironically most of my biggest clients are the companies that have the types of jobs that drove me to start my own business in the first place.
 
I am quite aware of this circle that America has created

In fact; as we speak; I am running my Payroll Liability Taxes for the Period 11/30/2005

1. Pay personal tax when getting paid
2. Pay the State Franchise Tax board based on earnings
3. Pay the Feds based on earnings

Scam scam scam
 
It is funny. Because of this incident we have now had two meetings on 'feelings' and 'flipping it up (not saying problems but opportunities)'.

I'm paid to sell and I'm good at it. I don't want to sit around and sign kumbaiya. I just want to get back on the phone and build my pipeline.

This has turned into a complete fiasco.

I think at the end of the day the biggest problem with being in the sales racket (and I've been doing this for years) is that there are always the administrative corporate red taped hoops that you need to jump through in order to execute your job. Then again, I also believe that we all work in sales, whether you are selling yourself, your oganization, or your opinion on DVXUser.

Either way, this has completely taken the life out of me today and I've resorted to reading the infamous 'Hudson Quitting Smoking Thread' just so I'm not furious (which by the way has actually made me consider quitting smoking... which I'm going outside to do now)
 
(in a grumbly voice) "Danny, we need to talk about your stats, pronto! We need you quicker, more efficient, and also we need you to take a paycut or your'e fired!!! Also, my son has a ballgame tonight, so i'm leaving a bit early. Also, you're fired."
 
Sorry I didn't make it more clear.\

That thread made me think about quitting smoking, but not enough to prevent me from going outside to smoke. It just made me think about quitting.
 
Edweirdo said:
we will be a service based economy. We will be asking "Fries with that?" to a Korean General or "Paper or Plastic?" to a Indian businessman
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Not as long as
John_Hudson said:
Corporate America is why I became an Entreprenuer. If you have seen Offie Space; that was last job.

A pathetic joke.
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I don't mean to generalize - but: Of all the people of Indian origin I've met (quite a few. I am in IT, and yes - an enterpreneur, if corporate consulting gigs qualify), only a handful have what I would call 'enterpreneurial quailities', and not a single one is interested in using them. They want steady jobs, climbing the corporate ladder.

Haven't been to India, haven't been to Korea, either. But my impression is that either culture rewards people who are good at copy&paste and submitting to authority. So what if they can produce more and cheaper shoes?

America, traditionally, is a land of opportunists (err... opportunity). If you are enterpreneurial, America is the place to be. If you get fed up with corporate rules, there is nothing that stops you from forging your own path. Look at Google (among many others).
 
Maybe it is just me, but I don't really mind working in corporate America. I look at it like I get out of bed and rent my time to an organization for a somewhat agreed upon salary. It sucks being in sales and knowing what income you generate for the organization and then to see only 1/10000th of that, but at the same time I believe in the product I sell and think I do a good job in my position.

I'm sure somewhere there is that perfect job, but I haven't found it yet. It's funny, I have friends in their 40's and 50's who still say 'I don't know what I want to do when I grow up'. I'm knocking on the big 30 door and I say the same thing.

Maybe, at the end of the day we really are just that lost and unless we're living a dream come true, everyday is just a grind and trying to make a buck while we hope that the perfect opportunity comes along.

(Personally, I want to start a company called 'we do nothing'. I would interview people and ask them what they bring to the table, if they say enthusiasm, they are dismissed. I figure I can take the company public right away and retire on the stock options. My goal would be to come into the office from about 2:16pm to 2:30pm everyday and just, well, do nothing. That sounds like the ideal career choice for me... now I just need the financial backing of about $11M [less than most Hollywood flops], any takers?)
 
Yank, I'm interested in seeing what you have to offer, I can front you $5M upfront, but i'll need to see a resume if you have one.


If you have a resume, you are dismissed!
 
Years ago I worked a second job at TWA... I was in sales there and I actually PAID $2700 for that job. You had to go through a computer program that was RAN by TWA to get the job. Everyone says "Don't even THINK about that... you could make that back in the first two quarters of commissions alone!" (and they just took $50 per check... so it wasn't too big of deal.

After the end of only the SECOND QUARTER and making commissions near the top of the office they drafted me to a customer service position and the only way to make it back to the job I WAS doing was based on seniority! Naturally I couldn't transfer back because anybody worth their salt wanted those jobs because you could double your yearly salary! Talk about a freakin' SCAM! I called a couple attorneys and they all said the same thing,

"Missouri is a right to work state."

"So it's legal to ask somebody to PAY for a job based on their expected commission income and then take away the option of a commissions after you hire them?

"Yep... don't like it? Quit."

Well I did quit and those f*ckers went bankrupt without me. Once the public got used to having Jon Powers on the salesforce they couldn't hang without him. (That was my official alias 'cause we dealt with some real psychos on the phones... half the employees used alias names.)

TWA was EXACTLY like Office Space. At the office meetings I'd talk to managers after the meeting and explain the undercurrent of fading moral and explain that the berating of employees was going to kill the company. We had people with NO CLUE about the sales jobs giving us call management reports... etc. etc. Everyone knew EXACTLY how well everyone else was doing. It was all posted. Even arriving late showed up on public boards. If your sales were slipping then you'd get a flag on your name... etc. etc.

Office Space rocks... anybody that's worked that kind of job loves that movie. It's all so true... even down to Milton Waddams.

EDIT: I'd also like to add that some people are clueless about the global economy and what it's going to do to the US longterm. The post about us serving fries to an Indian IT guy is right on the money... the post about this being the land of opportunity and it not being an issue is completely wrong.

An economy is not a complex thing. People are total morons who don't get this. Think of it like a glass of lemonade... sure there are countries that aren't tasting any lemon in their water and we can poor our lemonade into the same pool and we can all taste a little. But don't kid yourself into thinking we will all have lemonade then. Just because your job today or this year is stable doesn't mean it will be next year... I have to laugh at how people with the feeling of total job security think a total global economy is a good thing. "I can get a widget cheaper that way." That is the most selfish thinking of anybody... and almost everybody thinks that way until the company that YOU work for realizes they can make your widgets there too. Boy everyone sure gets real smart about it then. Southpark nailed it.

In case you hadn't noticed. The price on widgets didn't go down... the guy that runs that company bought a 34 million dollar ski-home with the savings from everybody's job. Figure it out.

The unions bitching about WalMart is nothing. Try going to college for 4 years to get a computer science degree and having to work at the GAP because an office in India costs half as much to run.

Read the classified ads for jobs. We can't ALL be comptrollers.

It isn't "trickle down economics"... it's "trickle UP poverty"... figure it out.
 
People (companies) can manage with a carrot or a stick. What you have to decide if this stick approach is temporary or permanent. How high up does this "change" reach? If it is just your immediate boss, bide your time and he will be gone when sales drop and turnover increases. If it's very high up, it may be permanent or take too long to change. This negative approach will permeate everything until everyone (including you) hates to come to work everyday. Your personal sales will drop along with your income. Plan ahead.
 
Matt your post was pretty much dead on the money. It is my gift and curse that having had the level of success here I know what everyone makes. I work in a sales position (but we can't be paid commissions because of department of education guidelines) but get reviews every six months where your salary can go up 20% (no one has ever gotten a 20% raise though) or down 10% (people get the -10% all the time).

What's funny is after a couple of years of doing this I make a nice income, but we're constantly hiring people who are performing within 10%-20% of where I am. Pretty much that means that they can fire me and get three people to replace me. There is no comfort level in an organization like this other than the fact that they are so afraid of a lawsuit that it takes 6 months to fire someone and everything needs to be documented.

I think that things have gotten overly complicated. It's disgusting that a recent college graduate gets a job at $24000-$30,000 (national average) but the CEO of my company had to take a 50% paycut so now his salary is only $17M plus the other $17M that he gets in stock options. This guy is racking in $34M a year... who needs that much money?

That is what disgusts me, but then again, I was the one who had to look it up online to find out. Disgusting.

Now I can't remember where I was going with this point... wow, I really ramble a lot lately.
 
in a america you got food to eat you don't have to run thru the jungle and scuff up your feet. it's great to be an american......Louisiana, Louisiana, they're tryin to wash us away(RANDY NEWMAN) Japanese corporation did that...too many breakdowns,suicides, hospital bills they changed that. what movie was that with michael keaton and japanese american actor? about car production
 
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