Compressor can't make a 5.1 AC3???

Zak Forsman

Major Contributor
Having an irritating problem with Compressor 3.0.5.

I received my 5.1 mix as 6 uncompressed discrete WAVs from my sound designer/mixer. (L, R, C, LFE, Ls, Rs). I brought those into Final Cut Pro, set the timeline to discrete tracks and mapped each audio out put to tracks 1 thru 6, and synced them to picture. All good. Then I exported pictures as well as "File > Audio as AIFF > Grouped Channels" to get six discrete AIFFs. Checked them in QuickTime Player and each track contains what it should.

I did this so I could remove the 2-pop on each of the tracks and give them the same 5 second header as the picture export so everything will line-up in DVD Studio Pro later.

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I rename each of the six track to end with (-L, -R, -C, -LFE, -Ls, or -Rs) and drag them into the batch window in Compressor. This part works fine as a new surround sound group is created and the tracks automatically map to the correct channel, as seen above.

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I then drag the target preset for Dolby Digital Professional 5.1 onto the group and go through and uncheck all the stuff I want unchecked, set compression to "none" and the normalization to -31db.

Then I hit submit.

When I made the first DVD and tested it on my home theater, the center channel, surrounds and subwoofer were dead quiet, while the left and right front speakers were playing fine. So to check, I imported the AC3 into Final Cut Pro to look at the waveform. And this is what I saw... the first two tracks (L, R) had sound, the rest were stripped to nothing. And by the looks of it, comparing tracks 1 & 2 to the original on the left, it looks like Compressor did a stereo mixdown. It sounded this way in my home theater as well, dialogue wasn't missing or weak so that center channel info seems to have been mixed into the front left and right channels. Again, the source files mapped into Compressor do not sound this way. They sound right.

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Please tell me someone has run into this and resolved the issue. Help? :)
 
AC3 by nature is really 2 channels. The 6 channels get created through sample delays. Its similar to Dolby Digital EX, but much more accurate in AC3.

That aside, FCP may not do the dolby demuxing properly, only showing 2 channels with waveforms.

I would test your source material on a hardware DVD player with a real 5.1 setup. If it's all being squeezed into L and R channels I would look into another encoder.

In the past I have managed to create 5.1 AC3s from Compressor. It is possible.
 
Seems like what you did was reasonable. I did my final surround mix in Soundtrack Pro the last time because I needed to do a tweak to one of the channels, but I did use Compressor for general checking of my mix.

Have you tried backing up and just using the raw stems from our designer and running them straight through Compressor to get an AC3 file? You can still test it in DVD Studio Pro, even shift them for sync within the DVD project, just to see if the basic files work OK. If they do, then there was something happening in our FCP workflow. Perhaps you could sync in FCP and export individual tracks as AIFs rather than using the group export? I don't know why that may matter, but that's something I would try. (and you said you listened to the discrete tracks, so...)

Assuming you also have Soundtrack Pro, you could create a new multitrack project with your tracks, import a QT movie for sync, and export from there. I think everything uses the same software encoder, so if there is a problem in your raw tracks, it may act the same.

Not the definitive answer for you. Sorry. I'll poke around my most recent mix when I get a chance to see if there is something I notice.
 
There are other cheap AC3 encoder out there that can do 5.1 AC3 from wave files, I'm using AC3Tools Pro and it is only $49.00, I like it very much except for it tooks them 3 weeks before they send me the unlock code.
 
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