combining 60i with a 24P project

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lhart

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I have a documentary project that was shot primarily in 24P. By accident, I think the scene dial most have moved because I've discovered that 1/3 of the footage was shot in 60i. I discovered this when I was capturing the footage in premiere. When it played back, I saw the jerky motion. So what would be the least time consuming option to convert this 60i footage to 24P so I can work with it in my project.
Thanks so much!
 
Definately will want to do a conversion like above if you need 24p output. Personally, I like using a 60i project to mix the 2 for things where I have both. The 24p will still look the same and the two will blend together without problems. But if you ultimately want the 60i footage to look more 24p, then you will want to convert it (although it wont really be the same as if you had shot it 24p).
 
Is there a way to convert 60i to 24p in Premiere? I use to do this in Vegas but now I'm using the 30 trial of Premiere 2.0 to check out the improvements over 1.5. I'm liking it so far. Anyway thanks in advance.

~Bryan
 
The only thing that you can get for free is "frame blend" which will look pretty shitty. You are going to be better off buying Magic bullet or DV Film maker.

Good luck on your project.
 
Thanks Demistate. Luckily I'm just testing right now. Not doing a real project. I'm checking out the DVFilm Maker demo now. Think I might get that if I like it. 24P Slo-mo has ALWAYS been a problem and I'm hoping DVFM will solve that problem also. Thanks again.
 
Thanks for everyone's comments. At this point, I guess I have two options.

option #1. Start over, capturing all my 24P footage in a 60i project since my output does not need to be 24P. The output will be a DVD. I am bummed about the hours I've already invested capturing 3/4's of the footage in 24P, but since I have not started editing yet, I prefer to get it right now instead of later.

Another "problem" I've seen which I think is due to the 24P, is bright backgrounds flickering. This can be very annoying, so does anyone know if this is because of the 24P and if it's captured in 60i, will the flickering go away?

Another question: Magic Bullet v.1.0 came with the purchase of the camera. I have not installed it, but does anyone know if it can convert 60i footage to 24P? This would be my second option, OR as others have recommended using DV Film Maker to convert the 60i to 24P.

Can anyone offer the pros and cons to these two options??

Thanks again for everyone's advise. It's greatly appreciated!
 
Someone please correct me if im wrong, but i thought if you captured the footage in any settings project that the original video file would be just fine... but if you put it in the wrong timeline, then it would glitch.

Thats been my experience and if thats the case then you don't need to recapture everthing again.. just put it into the correct timeline.
 
When you say put it in the correct timeline, I assume that means start a new project? I tried starting a new 60i project and imported all my footage from the 24P project. But when the avi files are put on the new timeline they show a red bar above and need to be rendered since they were shot and captured in 24P.
 
I just completed a project combining the whole fruit bowl-- 60i, 30p, and 24p. The project was set up in a standard NTSC 29.97 interlaced project and 24p footage was captured directly into this project. Everything looked fine. In some shots I wanted the "DV" 60i look, while in others I did want to give it more of a film look which I used Magic Bullet, which did a great job.
As far as your bright background flicker, that's a 24p issue with Premiere Pro 1.5. Premiere 2.0 has corrected this. I believe I've read about some work-arounds on this in 1.5, possibly on this forum-- do a search.
If you've got the dollars, you might find 2.0 to be a little friendlier with this mixed footage project.
 
Hey thanks for the reply, Joe. I was out of town and just received this. I think it makes sense to upgrade now to 2.0 and start my project over in a 29.97 project to combine the different footage. Since I haven't started editing yet, but have captured approximately 3/4 of the footage (@12 hours), this is the time to begin again.

Regarding the flickering problem, I have noticed on other 24p projects, that the flickering from bright backgrounds goes away in making the DVD. With my limited understanding of all this techno stuff, I think it has something to do with the changed frames per second since DVDs are 30 fps.

Thanks again. I was kind of bummed I had no replies there for a few days before I left town.

Linn
 
lhart said:
When you say put it in the correct timeline, I assume that means start a new project? I tried starting a new 60i project and imported all my footage from the 24P project. But when the avi files are put on the new timeline they show a red bar above and need to be rendered since they were shot and captured in 24P.
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This doesn't help you with your problem, but keep in mind that when you place a 24P clip in a 29.97 timeline and you get the "red bar" that doesn't mean you need to render it, chances are it will playback just fine. Premiere is simply letting you know that it might either drop some frames or reduce the resolution in order to "display" the clip in realtime. This does not effect the final output.

Also take six or seven clips with different frame rates, edit it and output it to a DVD and see what you get. Like Joe I have mixed different frame rates and never had any problems in PPro2.
 
Thank you for that clarification, although now it brings up two new questions:
Perhaps I can import all my previously captured 24P footage in a new 29.97 project?
And, if I upgrade to 2.0 can I still import this project with all the mixed (24P and 60i) captured footage into a new project?

Thanks!
 
Sorry for whimpimg out on the advice, but there are so many variables and everyone explains them a little differently that I hesitate to give advice that costs someone money only to find out it doesn't work.

Having given my disclaimer I believe upgrading to PPro2 will solve your problem.

Wher is Livingston MT?
 
ok, I appreciate that. Livingston, MT is in the south west corner of Montana. Approximately one hour north of the north entrance to Yellowstone National Park.
 
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