Color Temperature 101: discuss

Links to free resources would be appreciated but also if you have the time please explain as best you can how to deal with color temperature in film.

Most notably, what's the difference between CTB and CTO. I know one of them converts tungsten to daylight but I can't remember which. Which one do you use outside which one do you use indoors?

If I'm shooting an indoor scene, how do I make sure everything is at a similar temperature, or should it not be? Should indoors scenes be warm or cool?
I know what those terms mean at least, warm is yellowish, reddish and is in the lower end of the spectrum like 2000-4000k or so (I think). Cool color temperature I believe is whitish, blueish and is higher like 5000k+. Right?

Thanks

Hi,

Firstly, remember that CTO stands for colour temperature ORANGE and CTB stands for colour temperature BLUE.

It might help to think about where the actual temperature part of colour temperature comes from....as a metallic reference object heats up for example, it turns orange, yellow then blue.....

The temperature numbers represent how hot the object was when it was that colour.

The higher the temperature, the more blue it is. The lower the temperature, the more orange it is.

The human eye has an amazing ability to auto white balance, se we don't tend to see the differences in colour temperature as much as a camera does.

A camera also needs to know what colour temperature it's looking at. You can do this manually by telling it and setting a preset, choosing the appropriate film stock or you can also have it do it's own calibration in-camera.

3200K and 5600K are two common colour temperature presets that are assumed, but rarely will you find light sources that actually are this colour when measures with a colour temperature meter.

5600K for daylight is a very generic average. Daylight can be very warm and dawn and dusk, say 2700K or can be very blue 11000K if you're at altitude or have cloud cover.

The point is that it CHANGES throughout the day.

3200K is an ideal colour temp for tungsten based light sources, but again they rarely actually are. They tend to be warmer, closer to 3000K because of things like voltage fluctuations, age of the globe, dust and dirt on reflectors etc.

So with a continuous colour scale that can change and have mixes of different colour temps you have to set your cameras colour temp to either correct for the differences OR to creatively interpret them.

Your camera set to 5600k when shooting a 5600K source will make that source colour appear "white" (assuming it's a continuos spectrum source).

if you use a 3200K source with the same camera settings, then the light will appear more orange than white, because it's towards the warmer end of the scale. The camera is expecting a 5600K light. However, you can make this light appear white if you bump the cameras white balance to 3200K.

Now you have a 3200K source and the camera is expecting a 3200K source, so all is *normal*.

The need to add gel and correction like CTB or CTO comes from when you have both 3200K and 5600K sources in the scene.

no matter where you set the camera, one of the sources will appear either warm or blue. you need to be able to match them to each other so everything appears to be the same.

So a camera set to 5600K would want CTB on a 3200K source to make that source 5600K (with less light level) and looking white.

A camera set to 3200K would want CTO on a 5600K source to make it match the cameras white balance setting (again with less light level)

You might also want to consider using less correction for creative reasons. It's great to sometimes have a slightly cooler or slightly warmer source. Instead of full CTB or full CTB, you can look to start using 1/2 CTB and CTO or even 1/4 CTB and CTO. As well as correcting the lights you can use filters in front of the camera to correct (instead of using the electronic white balance) but this won't take into account a secen that has a mix of colour temperature sources.

White balance, or a better way to think of it, white point is only the beginning of the colour temperature story though, because most sources aren't continuos in the colour of the light they output.

Lights can have the same white point of 56OOk, but be made up of different ratios of red, green and blue wavelengths, meaning that you will get casts of green or magenta depending on how far out they are.

In summary, you need to roughly know what different sources of lamp or sunlight are likely to be, and then make a judgement about where to best set your cameras white balnce to best reflect what is in the scene OR to change it to suit your needs.

You can get a very cheap day for night look by simply setting the whitepoint to something like 2700K in camera and then letting the daylight of a scene go blue. You need to be careful to underexpose though because too much level will give the game away. Have a look at this music clip that I did where I used this technique.


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By the way...


There's a great iPhone app for gels if you have one. Go here.

There's also a great site for looking at colour combinations and is very useful when you want to discover the complimentary colours for a chose colour for example....

Go here.
 
Wow, that is a great article Ryan! Thanks.

To the OP, whether indoor scenes should be warmer (more towards the red end of the spectrum) or cooler (more towards the blue end of the spectrum) is really one of the choices that need to be made in the context of the story you are telling. I personally like my indoor lighting to be more towards the cooler end, but will still differ to the needs of the scene. In situations where I am shooting with regular incandescent lights AND quartz lights, I will tend to white balance to the incandescent lights and leave the quartz lights un-gelled. The difference in color temp is not that great (2700K-2900K for the regular incandescent lights and about 3200K-3400K for the quartz lights) so mixing them is not that big of a problem. Mixing incandescent lights, quartz lights with daylight balanced sources is also possible, but requires choices, as noted above. If your goal is balanced lighting, then you will need to choose where you set you white balance and which lights to gel. You can also use incremental white balance settings, using gels on different lights to set your white balance, for effect. For example, if you are shooting under quartz lights and day light sources you could white balance to the daylight source, with a half CTO on it (or a half CTB on the quartz light) and get a white balance between the two sources. This will warm up both sources, if used without gels, but still keep them distinctly different colors, to use for a desired effect. White balancing to the quartz light with CTO on it will make both the daylight source and the quartz light cooler and still distinctly different colors. You can experiment with different variations on this and try different looks.

I have used mixed lighting to help build depth, and separation in shoots. For example, lighting the foreground warmer, the mid-ground/scene focus to a balanced light and the background with cooler lights, to exaggerate depth. This is especially effective with shoots down corridors and the like. Using cooler, or warmer light as your back light, rim light or kicker/side light can be effective to enhance separation and modeling.

Also remember that color can be used to set mood, and impart meaning to scenes and can be used as a filmic/visual motif. (Look at movies by Bernardo Bertolucci shot by Vittorio Storaro) .
 
thanks a lot for the information everyone ...I am digesting it all slowly.........

p.s. anyone know where i can order gels online for cheap thanks
 
thanks a lot for the information everyone ...I am digesting it all slowly.........

p.s. anyone know where i can order gels online for cheap thanks

Check out slondon and Erik Olson's posts on page two for links to gel sales.

I hope we have helped you. Understanding color temp is, IMHO, one of the basics of cinematography and needs to be conceptualized and internalized before you can make real creative cinematography decisions. Good luck.
 
Some examples of a particular shoot that I thought mixing colours would really work on. Just rough exports.
 

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Thanks David. My aim was to make these guys (who are fighters btw), fit the overall colour scheme of the locations(which are their own training gyms), but whereas the locations are static and flat, I want to punch them out and give them dimension, like a living extension somewhat. I hope that makes some sense ? :S
 
thanks noel that was a nice example, how do you do that one bar of warm light that goes across the guy's chest. did you rig up some cut out type of thing in front of the light, i don't know what you call it a Gobo maybe?

also when doing these types of lighting schemes, is it best to work with complimentary colors, sort of like the best example i can think of at the moment is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42AXEDjHIUU look at the hallway scene at 0:37 or thereabouts. how is lighting like this done. is this mostly color correction or do they put gels in that color right on the lights. this seems to be in the vein of the infamous hollywood complimentary color style like the teal/orange michael bay/jerry bruckheimer type of look, also used a lot in music videos and such
 
Homunculus, I enjoy explaining topics like this to people who are unfamiliar with them but interested, or who are struggling to understand. It's clear that several people here do. I get the impression that you don't feel you have the grasp you would like to WRT color temperature, is that correct? What do you find most difficult to understand? What information presented to you is confusing? We could help you better if you can be specific at this point as a lot of info has been delivered.
 
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