morgan_moore
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As for strobes - I see vid lighting getting 80% there and a couple of strobes clipped onto the bigger fixtures (4by diff ect) get you over the line
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ahalpert
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Ah. It just seems like the power/portability/cost advantages are so massive re: what you can do with flashes/strobes vs video lighting, especially in terms of modifying the light or lighting a wide area because you have so many lumens to begin with. But it's true that photographers enjoy using continuous lighting because it's easier to see what you're doing and simpler to work with, especially with multiple cameras, because there's no shutter speed restraints or triggering. But it's not like they don't own or don't use any flashes
Clermond
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yes I am. On stills side I can tell you a high resolution is a must.
I have stills only job. I shot last year a new tractor series from world's biggest manufacturer in the studio and in the field as well. I do corporate work and testimonials with video only. But these assignments can request both stills and video. Unfortunately from this client it's all under NDA.
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strobes in the studio are very convenient. The same amount of power with LED is way to expensive
Clermond
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Most photographers who established their business before 2005 are hybrid shooters.
They started with still and ran into two things: stills assignments got less and less paid. Clients requested video.
NorBro
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FML, I’m going to have to buy it.
No will power with Canon’s greatest.
Alright…setting the alarm for a 1-second preorder after doors open.
rob norton
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Is the 60p 8k what you’re most excited about?
NorBro
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It helps but mostly about the overall technology and power.
We’ll see how they trip it up tho…but if it’s a premium price then they’ll do less tripping.
I don’t know what’s left in a camera to want after this.
[Besides NDs and the usual requests, but will need a camera from a different department for that.]
I’m not doing 12K and beyond.
We’ll see how they trip it up tho…but if it’s a premium price then they’ll do less tripping.
I don’t know what’s left in a camera to want after this.
[Besides NDs and the usual requests, but will need a camera from a different department for that.]
I’m not doing 12K and beyond.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Can't speak for him. I'm not getting one because I'm in sony and don't need 8K right now anyway. But I think that you really need at least 60p in your highest resolution to claim that you're capable of that resolution. I don't know of another mirrorless or canon/sony camera that does 8k60p. It gives the camera a longer shelf life at least
ahalpert
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So far at the very least, it doesn't have internal ND. So you can choose between a c70 and get all the features you want, or this. ND adapter is not the same thing because I'd be happy with vari-NDs anyway except for color shift, vignetting etc. ND adapter is still vari ND or switching single strengths
rob norton
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I agree. If overheating isn't a real concern I'll probably buy one. Side grip mounting point would be nice.
edit - will consider buying one!
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computational image capture is next.
i feel with digital “film replacement”, we’ve more or less crossed the threshold. But the concept is the same, a relatively passive and simple contraption. As AI and processing evolves, then the passive cameras while having a nostalgic romanticism, will seem clunky and outdated. There is so much room for improvment in cameras, as well as displays. we’ve a long way to go. thousand more to spend. that’s why i get so impatient with the 8bit vs 10bit years, and the 12stops DR years, and on and on. Meanwhile the rest of tech is beginning to leap frog, with the things cellphones are doing, it is only a matter of time.
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very true. this is part of what makes the C70 one of my favourites recently, and hopefully more mirroless options move that way. An R5 with internal ND and a C badge would be very interesting. but at the same time, i’m very much a dynamic range user, and i recall the R5 being just a little less than i prefer. i may have to wait for when Canon ups their DR numbers.
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8K 60p with Canon imaging should be one of the highest fidelity images you’ve ever seen.
ahalpert
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that's actually a really good point. it's coming in like 2 stops below the S1H and 1.5 or so below the a7siii, based on the cined lab test of NOT raw (which I'm using because the other cameras weren't tested in RAW and the RAW number for the R5 was lower. but that was CLOG, so I'm sure they could get something extra out of a flatter gamma curve
ahalpert
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ahalpert
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maybe... but I feel like a lot of daytime exterior alexa stuff I see with a wide exposure range, I still feel like would have looked better on film. even stuff from deakins that you know is exposed and processed top-notch...
and there will probably be new exotic materials used in sensors some day that will give us another 4 stops of DR or something...
do you think computational image capture is coming to video soon/ever?
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*dove flies away. the Oled screen embraces you in a warm hug.
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i thought 10bit would have arrived sooner than it did, so i am the wrong person to ask about timing. But we are seeing stuff done in cellphones, and it will go from there. many friends of mine are more happy with the way cellphones give them a slight touch up and do that shallow dof effect, and then they don’t have to waste time with a stupid block of dslr/mirrorless.
But computational video may help with some of the limitations of CMOS or whatever is next in sensor tech. Looks at the rendering of “The Heights” vs Spielberg’s “West Side Story”. Digital needs some help, and AI or something thereof will be a game changer eventually. assuming we stick with tech similar to today’s.
ahalpert
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how is it doing it? a depth map with applied blur? that specific tool only seems useful to me for capturing deep focus and selectively blurring in post....which indeed would be useful but limits the light you can gather. and that depth mapping won't be useful if you're already shooting shallow dof
a lot of the interesting stuff phones can do for photos seems to come from combining multiple exposures. not sure how soon or if that can come to video
granted there will be things coming down the pike that i can't even imagine. but i'm not sure i see imminent DR boosts from this type of stuff or magical focusing in post. it's not light field. though light field video could happen soon too
EDIT: then again, shut my mouth. depth maps would be instrumental for relighting in post, which would be a game changer