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Steven Soderbergh is directing the movie "Che" about Che Guevara the revoulutionary. Starring Benicio Del Toro. I once had Che for an avatar and I had to delete it. This movie is gunna piss a lot of people off. Theres alot of anti-che people out there especially the Cubans. Its suppose to come out this year.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0374569/
 
I really liked Motorcycle Diaries and appreciated the opportunity to get to know the pre-revolutionary man behind that icon. I say use the avatar. Can't wait to see this picture myself.

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Yep a script by Terrence Mallick - it can't go wrong. Although Soderbergh has directed some turkeys. Anyway i hope it's a balanced view on Che, let's not forget he killed many people and was considered a terrorist. Although i did admire some of his ideals. Infact, rumour might be now that Mallick has finished The New World, he might go on to direct Che. Now that would be interesting..
 
it is exciting. on IMDB it lists Peter Buchman as the writer. Yas, where did you hear it was Mallick? I am worried that Soderburgh might mess it up (Full Frontal, Solaris, Ocean's 12 OMG don't do the same to this one).
 
Rasquachemedia said:
it is exciting. on IMDB it lists Peter Buchman as the writer. Yas, where did you hear it was Mallick? I am worried that Soderburgh might mess it up (Full Frontal, Solaris, Ocean's 12 OMG don't do the same to this one).
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I, for one, liked Soderberg's take on Solaris. And the man has done a LOT more than these 3 movies, he is more than qualified for the job.
 
Anti Che people in Cuba, are you nuts. I spent a week in Havana and his picture is everywhere, the side of buildings, tshirts, posters. The man is a god in that country. The people might have a distane for Fidel, and how he was slowly ruined their country. But Che was a Martyr, a foreigner who risked his life to help them. He is a folk hero to this day over there.
àI was wondering when A film about his later life was going to be made. But not too sure if Soderbergh is the one to do it. Although I hold Del Toro in very high regard.
 
Prairieboy said:
Anti Che people in Cuba, are you nuts. I spent a week in Havana and his picture is everywhere, the side of buildings, tshirts, posters. The man is a god in that country. The people might have a distane for Fidel, and how he was slowly ruined their country. But Che was a Martyr, a foreigner who risked his life to help them. He is a folk hero to this day over there.
àI was wondering when A film about his later life was going to be made. But not too sure if Soderbergh is the one to do it. Although I hold Del Toro in very high regard.
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I'm talking about the Cuban Americans they hate him becuase they hate communism.

Che wasn't a terrorist. If killing a lot of people is considered terrorism well... I'll leave it at that.
 
NO CA$H said:
I'm talking about the Cuban Americans they hate him becuase they hate communism.

Che wasn't a terrorist. If killing a lot of people is considered terrorism well... I'll leave it at that.
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LOL...

Well Clint is a nice option for your avatar too... :thumbsup:
 
Let's talk about CHE for a moment as I don't know too much about him; I'll be sure to Moderate this and expect some self control and maturity in the process please.

First of all; I find Steven Soderbergh highly overrated. I just don't get the acclaim and Oscar Nods. I'm surprised this CHE film will not have Clooney and Julia in it. Soderbergh has done about 3 films that I actually enjoyed: Out of Sight, Erin Brockovich and Traffic somehwat; not as good as everyone proclaimed it IMO and surely not BEST PICTURE

That being said; whats the fascination with CHE? I totally see the symbology and mythical REVELUTIONARY status; but beyond the IDEA of CHE I see a communist. (Marxist in fact).

Why the 'Ooohhhh and aawwww' over this guy?
 
In any country that has a one party rule (a.k.a., dictatorship), nothing that is on public display doesn't say anything about what people think or feel. Cuba is a centrally planned society where you can't fart without asking your local CP committe for a permission first. Ask the thousands of Cubans who risk their lives every year trying to escape that regime what THEY think of Che, once they are safely out of Cuban territorial waters.

Che Guevarra was a bloodthirsty butcher. His ideals, if he actually had any, were compromised and outweighted by the way he went about achieving them. I don't understand, and never will, anyone who can admire him for whatever reason.

The thing that REALLY pisses me off, is when people who have only read about communism point to parallels between this and that, always quick to point out how capitalism isn't any better. If it isn't, why you're still here? Why don't all the people who love Che's, Fidels, Maos, Lenins, Stalins, and all the other tyrants pick up their bags and go to their promised land? Because they know damn well that it ain't nearly as good as they would like us to believe.

The western-style democracy is not perfect. To paraphrase Winston Churchil, it's the worst system of social order invented by man - but it's the best system we have. Every single western country has its share of problems and shortcomings. Every now and then, the state wants to put us under more control than we deem reasonable (Patriot Act, anyone?). We are - collectively - guilty of terrible things.

But none of us here has to live in fear that one night, the secret police will knock on our door and we'll disappear into a labor camp because some time ago, we said that <plug in your favorite ruler> was an idiot.

For the record: I am not ranting against social democracy - if that's how people want to organize their society, be it. France, Germany, the Nordic countries (hell, my own Czech lands for past two terms, and I still go for visit at least once a year) are pretty much socialist countries. I am ranting against those who admire communist butchers and somehow want to excuse their behavior.

Oh - and another thing: judging a society after spending a week in a country capital is only slightly more mature than judging America after watching Baywatch on TV. Go to the countryside and spend two years there - then you'll have a better picture. Nothing personal, Prairieboy! :thumbsup:
 
Forgot to add: I am actually not arguing against making a film about Che. Part and parcel of what I believe in is freedom of expression, so... all you wannabe revolutionaries, go wild! Make films about your icons, so we can better understand their twisted minds.
 
Thank you XCheck for that insightful reply.

The reality is that the guy was a butcher. A communist at that; no better than the other tyrants mentioned.

I see lots of youngsters carrying a flag and wearing T-Shirts for this guy and wonder if they have done any research on this guy. Maybe I should go get a Charles Manson T Shirt?

I think people that where his T Shirts are thinking they are making some profound statement but have no idea this guy was a socialist communist who oversaw personally the executions of over 150 people (and thousands under his watch). He started Cubas firing squads, he lead the revolution that brought Castro (another cool guy) into power while his labor camps were populated by dissidents

Here is a Qoute by CHE himself:

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate."

Guevara brought to Cuba a goverment that decried freedom and promoted one of the most unjust social systems imaginable that if you spoke out you were dead and supported Marxist-Leninist socialism.
 
I spent a day and a half with a woman in Havana who worked as a press secretary for Che. She was a very intelligent woman who lived in New York when the revolution began. She came home because she believed that this was the direction the country should be going. She believed in the vision that Castro and Che portrayed to the people. Now as you can tell these things are in the past tense. And for a vast magority of Cubans the story has not quite played out how they thought. Communism is a great idea in theory, that does not work.
Fidel has gotten lazy and fat with power, and his country is crumbling because of it. But Che is another story to those in Cuba. He is loved there still. It is not only posers and bilboards. There are more Che tshirts than at a Rage Against the Machine concert on the streets. My feeling that is because he died, I should say was murdered at a relatively early age, he has a certain mystique about him. Like James Dean, and Kurt Cobain. He died risking his life for a cause that did not effect him personally, but for something he believed in.
The Cubans believe it or not were in many ways in an even worse situation before the revolution. The ideal of it was a good, but with horrendous results. I have a feeling if Che was around today he would want to ***** slap Fidel, and to tell him to get off his ass and help his people, or step aside.
 
I wouldnt know for I have never been there nor spoke with anyone ther about it...

But I do know those people cant **** without permission; so saying its on billboards means nothing to me when the government controls E V E R Y T H I N G

He died for fighting for communsim. You can believe in whatever you want it dont make it noble cause you believe in it. CHE did not fight for freeedom.
 
I realize I week in a country makes me no expert. But there is an insight that most do not have. I did not stay at a resort. I stayed in an apartment with friends of a friend of mine. I spent ten days talking to people, taking photographs, are trying to grasp as much of their culture and mood as possible. I have stayed in touvh with many, I have read more than my share of books.
Yes they have gone though horrendous times. And there does not seem to be an end to it. Yet the people are perhaps the most friendly and giving out of anywhere in the world that I have been.
I am not saying I know what is going on there. But please, a reference to Baywatch. I would not speak up if I had merely flown into a resort and pickled myself in rum and cigars.
 
Once again I am not defending his actions, I never have. I merely trying to explain his popularity. Which is very real. It may have all the strength and power of the wzard of OZ. But it is there.
 
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