Canon's new AVCHD camcorder

Well, promising news. :thumbup: Thanks David. Pana boys are rocking @Canon side as well. :)

What's the best buy? HV20 or this new toy? Barry, any thoughts?

EDIT -- No microphone input nor manual audio level control either. :thumbdown: Too much consumer. Although on the 12 Mbps AVC-HD tapeless vs. 25 Mbps HDV tape, Barry may enlight us -- we wait.
 
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I am looking forward to see the comparison between hv20 and hr10. They have the same specs with different codecs and bitrates. We can finally decide or at least have an idea of how avchd compares to hdv.
 
The HV20 all the way. The compression of the AVCHD fromat just doesn't hold up as well from what I've seeing. Plus the the body style of the HV20 is nicer and offers 24P.
 
The HR10 has 24p, though I, too, at first thought it didn't.

But if the optics and the CCDs are the same between the cams, it might be an interesting test bed for comparing HDV and AVCHD . . . or at least Canon's implementation of them.
 
I'm out of town so I haven't had time to delve into all this stuff. My first reaction is: 12mbps? Blah. 12 might be okay for HDV-class recording, but the format goes up to 24mbps, I'll get interested when it's at 24mbps. And DVD? Blah blah. Even Sony's making solid-state AVC-HD now, recording to their (of course proprietary) memory-stick. C'mon Canon, hit us with the good stuff.

The good news is we probably won't have long to wait; updates seem to be coming very quickly.
 
Barry if your theory is true this camcorder should have at least the same performance as HV20. I guess we have to wait till August to see how it performs.
 
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I'm out of town so I haven't had time to delve into all this stuff. My first reaction is: 12mbps? Blah. 12 might be okay for HDV-class recording, but the format goes up to 24mbps, I'll get interested when it's at 24mbps. And DVD? Blah blah. Even Sony's making solid-state AVC-HD now, recording to their (of course proprietary) memory-stick. C'mon Canon, hit us with the good stuff.

The good news is we probably won't have long to wait; updates seem to be coming very quickly.
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That's what Canon always does when they release something in new field (AVCHD in this case). They make something good, but not great (for filmmakers and videographers anyway). Then the next one is way better. Example: HV10>HV20.

I hope the Canon PowerShot TX2 is AVCHD at 24mbps (or atleast H.264). Instead, they got M-JPEG at 35mbps on the TX1.
 
As Barry said, it'll get interesting when they have camcorders with full 24 mbs capability--then we can truly see just how much more artifact resistant this new format might actually be, rather than theoreticals. I'll be especially interested to see if high bit rate AVC HD does 1080i better than HDV.

I agree about DVD too--bah.
 
AVCHD and DVD is the best combination for point and shoot users. Both Bluray and HD-DVD players support AVCHD DVDs. So without having the need for a bluray or HD-DVD burner they can watch HD video. But DVD limits the bitrate.
 
i guess it makes sense for everyone to make crappy consumer cameras first to see what the problems are whilst they're designing the prosumer cams

releasing bad consumer cams won't really hurt a company, but releasing bad pro cameras would be a very bad move

i think i like sonys solid state cam best so far (out of the avchd cams) even though it uses memory stick
 
Well, I'm certainly no fan of the DVD approach, but I wouldn't say it's useless. Its chief benefit may be that you can play the files directly in a blu-ray player (afaik, this DVD-recording idea was advanced to try to spur the adoption of home blu-ray players) but the discs can also be read in a regular DVD-ROM drive imported by dragging them to your hard disk. Nowhere near as nifty as solid state, but also nowhere near as tedious as tape, so -- why do you say that would make it "useless"?

I think the far more condemning feature is the lack of microphone input, although if using this as a "crash cam" that wouldn't necessarily be a kiss of death either.
 
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