Canon Reveals Their Next Pro Video Cam

Looks promising, sexy and has the few extra features the HMC150 is lacking...

Most of this says 'Predicted' - I am wondering what the final specs are going to be....



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Interesting....

It’s true that Canon did not anticipate how well received the HD video recording capability would be on their EOS 5D Mk. II Digital SLR; that camera’s popularity especially among filmmakers really took the manufacturer by surprise. HD recording, in the form of a QuickTime H.264 variant, has now been added to almost all of the Digital SLR cameras in the Canon EOS line (the next one will most likely be the Full-Frame EOS 1Ds Mk. IV). Equipped with APS-C, APS-H and Full-Frame CMOS chips, these cameras are designed first and foremost for still photography, leaving many videographers wondering aloud if Canon will build a dedicated video camera around such large sensors, with a properly motorized lens, XLR audio jacks and an ergonomic form factor conducive to recording the moving image. The short answer is no.
The longer answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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I don't think that's under discussion. Canon doesn't use progressive-scan CCDs, and their interchangeable lens cameras start at $6,000.

This instead looks to be a reboot of the XHA1, which is at your price point and probably with AVCHD, but not likely interchangeable-lens or progressive CCDs. But, we'll see...
 
Barry_Green said:
I don't think that's under discussion. Canon doesn't use progressive-scan CCDs, and their interchangeable lens cameras start at $6,000.

This instead looks to be a reboot of the XHA1, which is at your price point and probably with AVCHD, but not likely interchangeable-lens or progressive CCDs. But, we'll see...
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Oh, okay. I know the one shown here isn't an interchangeable lens system, but there must be one in the wings, I'm thinking. But even losing the interchangeable lens system, if they switch over to true progressive CCDs, I'm liking it. If any of the Canon HD cameras were true progressive and solid state I'd have gotten one already.
 
lol... very true. Don't rush things too much, 150 is a great cam and don't see it threatened quite yet.

The Cheaper, Better, Faster progression comes at the price of everyone being able to afford it - then we can't charge as much! :)
 
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Galleddrim said:
If any of the Canon HD cameras were true progressive and solid state I'd have gotten one already.
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All the small-chip CMOS Canons are progressive and solid state.

If you want progressive and CCD, your choices are Panasonic or JVC. Sony and Canon don't "do" progressive CCDs in any of their low-cost models.

As for Canon having an interchangeable-lens version, certainly that should follow, but it won't be $4,000, it'll be more like $6,000 as a replacement to the current XLH1A.
 
The speculation seems to be that this new cam will use CCDs. I don't know why Canon would choose CCD instead of CMOS at this point though. Canon doesn't exactly introduce new cameras frequently. Are they really going to make the choice to go low res with the cam that's likely to be their mainstay in the video realm for at least the next 3-4 years?
 
The thing is, the A1 and H1 are pretty sharp already. I consider the A1 the sharpest $3k camera next to the HMC40. CMOS are all the rage lately but unless the camera can offer a significant low light gain and still keep the resolution advantage I don't see it as necessary.
 
proabbly producing xha1 chips are cheaper since its already done or cheaper to make so they're just expanding its life to the last drop..

reminds me of videogames where they reuse the sprites for the Nth time.
 
Canon Photo Team= Trendsetting
Canon Video Team= Backwards thinking

Too bad, looks like my 7d and Ex1 will remain a pair for a while longer.
 
I seriously doubt Canon will reuse the CCDs from their current (pro) HDV cams. They were fantastic in 2006, but are a bit dated to be putting in a newly designed cam (in 2010) that presumably will be around for several years. That would leave them with a camcorder that simply is not very competitive, right out of the gate, with the other cameras in it's class (HMC150 and the new Sony AVCHD cams coming out soon), for shooting in low light conditions - and in a couple years, as the competition brings out cams with even better low light performance, would leave them way, way behind the pack. That just doesn't seem, to me, like a mistake Canon is likely to make.
 
What would be cool as heck, would be if Canon could somehow manage to essentially put three of those big CMOS chips from the HF S cams in this new pro cam. They are significantly bigger than 1/3" but not as big as the 1/2" chips in an EX1, and somehow Sony did manage to put the EX1 together in a fairly similar size chassis. Perhaps Canon could do it by cutting the zoom range for the new cam down to 14x or so (instead of the 20x in the A1/G1). Wouldn't bother me a bit. I don't use camcorders as telescopes anyways.
 
20X zoom has been a Canon selling feature for almost as long a they have made prosumer cameras, going back to the GL2, I think, maybe even the GL1. They think that people who are buying these to do weddings, events and corporate care more about that than imager size. Bottom line is that it is very difficult to shoot shallow DOF accurately by yourself. If you care about hitting focus marks, it generally takes an AC and all that comes with that. Canon knows that people who shoot weddings/corporate events are going to be operating alone. In these cases, deep DOF can be seen as a plus.

I think that they also figure that if people are really lusting after shallow DOF, let 'em buy a DSLR. Lower dollar amount unless they buy the 1D but then they have to buy several lenses, profits go up. This camera will be nothing but a place holder honestly, the low end film market is moving on to Scarlets, DSLRs and will soon be more concerned about 3D. In 3D, deep DOF also seems to be somewhat of a positive, convergence point is used to focus attention to a subject, not shallow DOF so much.

Ho-hum, another AVCHD camcorder, big whoop. For low end production, I like the 150 and the new Sonys look to be pretty sweet as well. Can't see much of what Canon is bringing to the party that isn't already there.

Predictions are at least a year, possibly longer for Canon to transplant a large imager and EOS lens mount to a video camera.

Dan
 
Barry_Green said:
All the small-chip CMOS Canons are progressive and solid state.

If you want progressive and CCD, your choices are Panasonic or JVC. Sony and Canon don't "do" progressive CCDs in any of their low-cost models.

As for Canon having an interchangeable-lens version, certainly that should follow, but it won't be $4,000, it'll be more like $6,000 as a replacement to the current XLH1A.
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I have minidv Canon Optura Pi ,pal version (MV30i)with 25p and it looks like progressive.Bougt it for like 70 $ year ago.But was pricey when it was released in 2000yr.
That is probably similar to dvx100 right ?But its not so manual , would like to have more shutter speed selections on it but i like it anyway,best purchase of my life because of the price.I will never sell it.What other cam can give me progressive for that price ?
 
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