Canon Cinema EOS event and C300 impressions

Piolet

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I headed over to the Paramount lot yesterday. Canon put on a great event. Very classy. Not a ton of people, probably because the invites were not widely distributed...perhaps on purpose because the studio can only handle so many people. This turned out to be a bonus because there was plenty of opportunity to play with the camera and to talk to people. More importantly, the line for food was never long :) They catered a nice lunch all day.

They had talks, seminars and screenings going on constantly all day. It was hard to see everything and I wish I could have. The main venue was inside Stages 1 and 2, which had several different areas to explore. There were dozens of cameras mounted with delicious lenses in every variety. In one corner, they had set up rows of cameras pointing at a set that changed lighting periodically. There would be a girl doing come craft work in bright light then she would "close up shop", the lights would dim and an actor playing a security guard would go on set with a flashlight and walk around. They also had test charts set up with a waveform monitor, if you were so inclined. I saw at least 12 stops on the WFM and you argue more, but Canon is conservative.

I only had time to see Mobius and XXIT in the Paramount Theatre, but my non-expert opinion is that they all looked great. It just looked like a film you would see in a theater. I only saw parts of one other film in the mini screening rooms and it did have noise because they shot at very high ISOs, but the noise sort of reminding me of film grain. In one scene in XXIT, they had the camera mounted to motorcycles and the cameras bounced around a bit, but I didn't notice any really bad rolling shutter effects.

The camera itself is very slick and very well designed. The camera body is all new. The ND unit is totally new. It has three glass filters and is motorized with a neat mechanical back up in case the motor fails. The filters move in and out of the way in a cool card trick like fashion. They designed a new cooling unit that draws air in from the bottom and vents it through two tiny holes in the top. With the camera on, but not recording, I had to put my ear within 1 cm of the inlet to hear anything (but of course the demo area was not silent). The inlet is on the left side and at the bottom so it's pretty far away from any on camera mic you would mount. The camera has XLRs on the LCD/control unit with a mic mount, but it doesn't come with a mic.

The grip feels great, just like an EOS camera. It detaches and can be mounted at several different angles. It has several controls including a command dial and a joystick.

The camera boots up in 4 seconds. It only draws around 12 watts with the VF and LCD on and recording at the highest bit rate. This gets you at least 3 hours of run time with those little batteries that fit totally flush inside the body. The LCD monitor/control unit is very clever. It has two hot shoe mounts 90° apart so you can mount it lots of ways. The whole control unit rotates with click detents. The LCD can swivels in two axis and there's a mirror button to flip the image. Because you can detach the LCD/Control unit, you can put it far forward on the handle and hold the camera closer to you. The power switch has an additional detent to lock all the buttons and switches so nothing gets changed. They also have a CP Locked function which locks out all the image adjustment settings and just applies Canon Log for a flat image. This is useful for multiple cameras because you can hit CP Locked and not worry if some obscure image setting is not the same on all cameras.

The camera has seals around the seams and buttons to make it dust and splash proof. Every connector has a tethered cover. They also label the connector so you can still tell what it is in case the cover ever gets ripped off.

Overall, I think it's a great first start. The price really isn't set in stone yet. There will be more cameras and more lenses. Canon is really committed. It was a big deal for them to have the CEO come out to introduce the camera and the Cinema EOS line.

Well, welcome to Hollywood, Canon!
 
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience there. :) I appreciate it when people go to the trouble to document how things went people here couldn't attend. Glad to know the price isn't set in stone. The camera definitely looks slick!

Did you get the opportunity to play with one? How was the focus assist and waveforms? Do you have to have the extra module on to get the XLRs? Is there any sort of dial to change ISO or is it like all the other upper cameras, 3 setting preset.

Again, thanks for your write-up!
 
The focus assist and waveforms are much like same features on all the XF cameras, and they use the same 4" monitor on the C300 as you find on those cams:

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/app/...pro_cam/xf305_pro_cam_moinitor_options_v2.gif

There is also all the normal peaking and magnification focus assists as well.

You do have to use the monitor module in order to have the XLR's, but there is a 1/8" mic input if you don't have the module attached and need to input audio. Changing ISO's is much like the process on their DSLR's with the wheel, but there is no 3 setting preset as you'd find on an ENG cam.

Also it is a world camera, and capable of switching between NTSC & PAL frame rates. It also uses the same batteries from the XF, XL and XH line of camcorders.
 
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What cowpunk52 said. Changing the ISO is done by hitting the FUNC button and then using the joystick or wheel to scroll through the settings. I think I remember being able to change the increment in the menus but it was like in full stops or less. Also, you can change the units to be ISO or gain dB, same with the shutter: in angles or 1/second.
 
Nice waveforms. One thing that annoyed me with the AF100 is that the waveform took over the ENTIRE screen. With this, it is at least less intrusive if you want to have it up AND look at the scene at the same time. I resorted to using an external display since the WFM didn't get exported out through SDI.

I'm also glad they didn't do the 3-setting silliness I get on the FS100/AF100 and what i see is on the F3 as well. I was constantly going into the menus to change, and it was DEFINITELY not efficient.
 
THanks for all the details guys.

Did the Canon reps confirm that it's 10 bit SDI out?

Definitely looking forward to renting one of these for a shoot early spring.
 
Yeah, the waveforms only occupy a small corner of the screen in the lower right. There are dedicated button on the side of the camera and the control unit for magnification, peaking, zebra and WFM.
The three setting gain switch on Panasonic and Sony cameras comes from their video camera backgrounds. Pretty much every ENG camera had this little three way switch. Not sure if they kept this ease the transition for some video cam people, but Canon said they designed the C300 from the ground up to be a cinema camera.

SDI out is 8 bit confirmed.

People are bummed out about the price, but rental houses will have no problem buying it. So renting is an option and might actually be a popular choice because it's a very likeable camera (in terms of operating).
 
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Anyone willing to spend $15,000 on a camera knows what to expect from a $15,000 camera. This isn 't a $15,000 camera. This will sell very poorly unless they decrease the price by 50% at the least. I love Canon but have no idea on how they think they can compete with this.
 
Anyone willing to spend $15,000 on a camera knows what to expect from a $15,000 camera. This isn 't a $15,000 camera. This will sell very poorly unless they decrease the price by 50% at the least. I love Canon but have no idea on how they think they can compete with this.

Well...by watching the footage from the event I´d say they compete with RED and the F3 nicely. It is a complete cam if you have Canon lenses. On RED and F3 you need to add stuff to get that functionality. So the price is not too high if it sticks around 15.000 streetprice.

Until SONY or Panasonic drop new stuff.
 
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