Canon c50 announcement Sept 9

scorsesefan said:
With the exception of Gerald Undone, Josh Sattin and a few others YT is filled with influencers. Apparently, Nikon sends an employee along with the camera to the reviewers to assist during the short time they have the camera. Undone referred to them as "chaperones" and was able to shed his presumably due to his singular stature on YT. He gave a fairly critical review of the Nikon ZR, which I appreciated (although I pre-ordered the camera despite his caveats):
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While cameras will occasionally fit what you want and I'm not trying to throw shade on your purchase. The ZR is another camera that I don't get. My belief this stems from the camera company business strategy of wanting to sell as many models at various price points that these cameras must have ways to prevent them from competing against one another.
 
Peter C. said:
While cameras will occasionally fit what you want and I'm not trying to throw shade on your purchase. The ZR is another camera that I don't get. My belief this stems from the camera company business strategy of wanting to sell as many models at various price points that these cameras must have ways to prevent them from competing against one another.
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No shade. I pre-ordered to use as a b-cam for my Komodo and to do handheld work with a small form cinema camera that has IBIS, AF and most importantly Red R3D which IMO is class leading (except for Arri). I'm totally brand agnostic, so in all likelihood I will cancel my pre-order and see what Sony has coming down the line to team up with my fx6.
 
scorsesefan said:
No shade. I pre-ordered to use as a b-cam for my Komodo and to do handheld work with a small form cinema camera that has IBIS, AF and most importantly Red R3D which IMO is class leading (except for Arri). I'm totally brand agnostic, so in all likelihood I will cancel my pre-order and see what Sony has coming down the line to team up with my fx6.
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That nikon - it doesnt gel with my nikon based still photo friends looking to expand video.. it is all wrong for that.

As a micro bcam to the kimodo.. it it wonderful I guess.

Trouble for nikon sales department.. nikon corporate stills guys looking to up thier video game .. 18712, kimono owners needing a micro b cam. 34
 
They are not playing the same games. Nikon is problematic for the mid range corporate guy.

I sit in the world of corporate operators stills and vid. With canon i have decent stills cams and various video options from mirrorless to c400 (is available) - all sitting on one lense set. Im a very happy Canon user.


My nikon chum has thousands of $$ nikon lemses amd if his clients want him to record some video in the sun* or with decent audio he cant. An unhappy nikon user considering the change to canon or sony

I changed out of nikon with a heavyt heart some years ago.

OK it is annoying that canon dont do sigma lenses but it doesnt drive you out of the system

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He might
 
I think treading carefully and checking that all the features needed actually function as expected (not crippled somehow) is the only way to go. I can understand why manufacturers don't want to impact sales of another model but I've often been annoyed at my C200 with things not working unexpectedly. My fault for not checking of course.

C50 size and weight is exactly what I want but noticed looking through specs that there's no dual card redundancy (proxy on SD card) which finally put me off. I get the workflow benefits but it would still concern me and mean I'd have an external recorder hooked up which defeats the weight benefit. I'm probably catastrophising though.
 
morgan_moore said:
They are not playing the same games. Nikon is problematic for the mid range corporate guy.

I sit in the world of corporate operators stills and vid. With canon i have decent stills cams and various video options from mirrorless to c400 (is available) - all sitting on one lense set. Im a very happy Canon user.


My nikon chum has thousands of $$ nikon lemses amd if his clients want him to record some video in the sun* or with decent audio he cant. An unhappy nikon user considering the change to canon or sony

I changed out of nikon with a heavyt heart some years ago.

OK it is annoying that canon dont do sigma lenses but it doesnt drive you out of the system

S





He might
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My last Nikon was the F2. My frustration is you can’t depend on these companies improving and updating the camera you own because it would upset their family of cameras. I don’t like they often don’t disclose the hidden limitations. But this goes for all the brands. I was surprised Nikon was able to get back in the video game they had fallen far behind. I do stick to the major players when it comes to video Sony and Canon. I do also grudgingly use Panasonic because they offer a better value due to their weaker position in the market.
 
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Peter I dont know how you pop across three systems.

I usually work with 16-35 24-70 fast50 70-200 and that is quite pricey in one system.

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In terms of the limitations of the cameras.. the folk really to blame are the youttubers who do this promotion for the camera co.s dressec up as reviews.

they are all losers. :)
 
morgan_moore said:
Peter I dont know how you pop across three systems.

I usually work with 16-35 24-70 fast50 70-200 and that is quite pricey in one system.

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In terms of the limitations of the cameras.. the folk really to blame are the youttubers who do this promotion for the camera co.s dressec up as reviews.

they are all losers. :)
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They serve different purposes
1. JVC 1/3” camcorder for legal and for event work that needs a deep dof

2. Panasonic 1” camcorder standard theater

3. Sony mirrorless for hand held, low light event, and interviews

I use to use Canon but switched to Sony

That’s a good lens combo

YouTube has become a selling platform and the manufacturers are complicit. Ppl tend to be more critical of the content creators because they’re the face of it.

There’s a lot of shaping of the content by companies in private communications you don’t see.
 
Aha so you have some fixed lens cams (whose brand is really irrelevant beyond menues and apps).. and one set of mirrorless lenses (currently sony) - that makes perfect sense.

When I had nikon for stills and canon for video it made no sense - I had 2 70-200s, two fast fifties two wide zooms.. senslsess especailly for my poor back!.. which is why I binned nikon after 25 years and when 'all in' with canon
 
@morgan_moore

Re EF lenses with ND in the adapter, I'm still thinking about it all. As a mental hurdle, it's so nice not working with adapters. Also, it seems like the adapters with vari-NDs still leave you wanting, or at least I haven't seen a singular vari-ND that gives 8 stops of ND. I'm thinking if carrying a single small case/pouch for front mounted circular filters is all that's needed, then I'm happier to BYO the NDs as long as they're always on me!

I never thought I'd be looking into RF glass just from an investment/value perspective, but here we are. I'm even thinking of consolidating the 24-70 2.8 ii and 70-200 2.8 ii for a single RF 24-70 2.8.

But back to your question, it seems like the adapter filters aren't quite there as a turnkey system, but I know there are non-Canon options out there that maybe solve the problem but I'm not across it all yet.
 
I think, well I dont know what to think.

I think this, OK you are not on an alexa with a crew of ten and a set of cookes. So you work is compromised (!)

So you need to mull what compromises .

C80, its heavy and a bit clunky
C50 it is nimble and lacks ND

RF or EF
One is costy, has great AF and stab.. the other alows ND.

What is your poison??

Maybe you gonna shoot at 1/100, maybe you gonna shoot at 5.6 or both!

Where am I..

On lens solid filters, 3 and six, sometimes go to 5.6 or 1/100

sometimes it gets dark and you gotta engage.. 3200.

All compromised.

Lots of time? matte box, crew, no compromises

My only worry is Id like to be able to engage ND when on my jib.. which the C80 might allow.. otherwise C50 evgery day!
 
Getting back to the c50, the images coming out of this camera look so ordinary and pedestrian. Clean and sharp but lacking any character and digital looking. I mean, the skin tones aren't even classic Canon...Why did Canon's cinema team decide to go this direction? Some of the loveliest images came out of the c100, c300, c500 (and even the c200 could be made to look decent). The c300iii and c70 with their DGO sensors produced absolutely beautiful images. I know they've been chasing Sony's success with the fx cameras, but why chase Sony's less than spectacular image? I just don't get it...
 
scorsesefan said:
Getting back to the c50, the images coming out of this camera look so ordinary and pedestrian. Clean and sharp but lacking any character and digital looking. I mean, the skin tones aren't even classic Canon...Why did Canon's cinema team decide to go this direction? Some of the loveliest images came out of the c100, c300, c500 (and even the c200 could be made to look decent). The c300iii and c70 with their DGO sensors produced absolutely beautiful images. I know they've been chasing Sony's success with the fx cameras, but why chase Sony's less than spectacular image? I just don't get it...
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Most of the grading has been “true to life”/pretty vanilla/safe. I’m not sure how much footage we’ve seen that’s been handled by a really talented colorist. But I guess that’s your point, ease of nicer images at the owner/op level. But surely the actual files can’t be too limiting?
 
rob norton said:
Most of the grading has been “true to life”/pretty vanilla/safe. I’m not sure how much footage we’ve seen that’s been handled by a really talented colorist. But I guess that’s your point, ease of nicer images at the owner/op level. But surely the actual files can’t be too limiting?
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Yeah, I was thinking OOC without extensive post. But it's mostly the poor highlight rolloff, color and "thin" image that bother me. Vanilla is a good word.
 
scorsesefan said:
Yeah, I was thinking OOC without extensive post. But it's mostly the poor highlight rolloff, color and "thin" image that bother me. Vanilla is a good word.
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The best thing I've seen so far with the C50 (at least on the widely publicized YouTube stuff) is this little spot that Canon partnered on for the launch.


The filmmakers shot in a bunch of different modes and formats with different lenses and took some more care with the grading. I thought it looked really good.
 
Looks pretty good here (haven't watched many).

Fits right in with the newish batch of Canon cameras since the R5 where you really have to work hard to capture great images (lighting, lenses, bit rates, resolutions without limiting factors) but the potential is there.

One of my favorite Canon cameras of all time was the 1DX Mark II which actually did not shoot LOG.

Unbelievable color from it, tweaks made inside the camera, files ready-to-go...DR was brutal though.

 
I get that manufacturers generally consider sensors data gathering devices, but I still believe that sensors should have a look or feel to them when coupled with a certain company’s processing aesthetic. I feel like subjectively Red, Blackmagic and Arri in particular have embraced this. Of course this is extremely subjective as many would argue for the Sony, Nikon or LUMIX look.
 
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