Canon 7D Mark II

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20.2MP APS-C CMOS Sensor
Dual DIGIC 6 Image Processors
3.0" 1.04m-Dot Clear View II LCD Monitor
Full HD 1080p/60 Video & Movie Servo AF
Dual Pixel CMOS AF with Live View
65-Point All Cross-Type AF System
Native ISO 16000, Extended to ISO 51200
Continuous 10 fps Shooting
Magnesium Alloy Body Construction
Built-In GPS Receiver & Digital Compass
 
Still only 1080p when Samsung , Sony and Panasonic have 4K cameras so I guess the 7D III in 2020 will have 4K.
 
Seems to be the same sensor as the 70D (5472x3648, with dual-pixel AF), so, expect aliasing/moire to be the same too. Sigh...
 
Canon at least has their C series one can move up to if you're looking for more cinematic/video form factors and 4K recording. So long as you can afford it. Which personally I cannot. But it's there if/when I can. Nikon on other other hand is less forgivable. There is nowhere higher to go than their 1080p DSLRs. While the same is true of m4/3 like the GH4, at least they are pushing their specs to the extreme.
 
I think the entire industry was taken off guard by 4K. None of us expected the GH4 to have 4k this early. There is a lot of R&D that would go into Canon making a 4K camera and that will take time. Combine that with the fact that the 7D gets hot even shooting HD and it could be years before Canon is able to figure out how to get a 7D size camera to shoot 4k. I hope I'm wrong on this but they really do seem to make small baby steps and refuse to move away from the luck they hit with their video processing. When the GH2 already showed how much more detail you could have from a DSLR Canon should have taken note and figured out a new way toi process the pixels. Now they just continue to slip further behind. Aliasing and moire is something they should have delat with years ago already. It is sad how lazy they have become is trying to solve some of their image related issues.

With that said we have to keep in mind Canon's bread and butter customer buys these to shoot stills and not video. The video market was really just a bit of gravy for them. I know we like to think of the indie film makera as huge but really we ar not. We are a sliver of a niche group.
 
Thomas Smet said:
I think the entire industry was taken off guard by 4K. None of us expected the GH4 to have 4k this early. There is a lot of R&D that would go into Canon making a 4K camera and that will take time.
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Except for the fact that Sony also introduced 4K on the A7S months later and now Samsung is introducing 4K and h.265 on a mirrorless camera. Outside of the 3 or 4 smartphones they are producing that already shoot 4K video.

Canon had 5 years with the 7DmkII. The fact that it lacks 4K shows that they were not innovating in that area. That they had no intention to innovate in that area. They certainly had the time, resources and market momentum to do so. They should have been the first to market with 4K in all their DSLRs but they chose not to. I don't think it has anything do to with technical limitations.

It's fairly obvious now that Canon wants to move you up the line to their C series if you are serious about video and EF lenses. It's nice they have that option, but if you can't afford to move up that line, time to move on to something made by someone else.
 
Thomas Smet said:
None of us expected the GH4 to have 4k this early.
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I think a number of people will disagree with that statement. Probably at least the people who have a BlackMagic 4k or Sony FS700 or Sony A7s.

Thomas Smet said:
I hope I'm wrong on this but they really do seem to make small baby steps and refuse to move away from the luck they hit with their video processing.
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When the C300 came out 3 years after the 5Dii I felt the most telling quote about how Canon works is when they said they had been working on this camera for 2 years. Which when you do the math it meant that they were either clueless about what was happenning with the 5Dii for a year, or they were sitting on their hands of a year to see if it was just a fad that would pass.

The 7Dii is a still camera that shoots video. But at least, at least Canon is now selling a DSLR that costs less than $3k that has a headphone jack. $@&#'s sake sure that took long enough.
 
roxics said:
Except for the fact that Sony also introduced 4K on the A7S months later and now Samsung is introducing 4K and h.265 on a mirrorless camera. Outside of the 3 or 4 smartphones they are producing that already shoot 4K video.

Canon had 5 years with the 7DmkII. The fact that it lacks 4K shows that they were not innovating in that area. That they had no intention to innovate in that area. They certainly had the time, resources and market momentum to do so. They should have been the first to market with 4K in all their DSLRs but they chose not to. I don't think it has anything do to with technical limitations.

It's fairly obvious now that Canon wants to move you up the line to their C series if you are serious about video and EF lenses. It's nice they have that option, but if you can't afford to move up that line, time to move on to something made by someone else.
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I agree 1000%. Canon has always been a conservative company. When everyone else went tapeless and AVCHD, Canon stuck with the HDV XHA1 and XHA1S for years. While others were getting into the large sensor video camera game, Canon watched and finally updated their 1/3" cameras by going tapeless with the XF300 cameras. Canon released the C series cameras which were fairly conservative in spec. Now while others are releasing camera after camera, esp Sony, Canon is standing by with the C series.
The reason this works for them, is that while the cameras are never revolutionary....they are very solid, reliable, well thought out (of course not completely) and produce high quality images. The XHA1 had a good reputation among those who worked with them . Same for the XF300. Ditto the C Series. How this spins into DSLRs is very similar. The 7D and 5D MK2 were/are workhorses for Photographers who do occasional video pieces. That is where the bread an butter is for the 5D MK3 and 7D Mark2. They are not the best choice for those who think video first. For the same money (after adding video centered pieces to the DSLR) one can just get a C100 if they primarily do video/cinema/docs.

Everything I just said doesn't mean I totally agree with Canons way of thinking, I just feel that it is kind of how they look at their road map. Slow and steady.
 
Thomas Smet said:
With that said we have to keep in mind Canon's bread and butter customer buys these to shoot stills and not video. The video market was really just a bit of gravy for them. I know we like to think of the indie film makers as huge but really we are not. We are a sliver of a niche group.
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100% agreed. Canon has made it pretty clear that video is not a priority on their stills cameras. And I don't think is has to due with laziness, but rather with a conscious decision into which market they want to tap in with their products.

It is, however, becoming increasingly apparent that they lack offerings in the prosumer video market.
 
Ok, since no one is really talking about this: 1080p60

Very much over due, but I'm happy to see it. I feel like this is a good sign for any future C class cameras (maybe future Canon DSLRs too?).
 
zijital said:
Ok, since no one is really talking about this: 1080p60

Very much over due, but I'm happy to see it. I feel like this is a good sign for any future C class cameras (maybe future Canon DSLRs too?).
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Yea, why can't they put that in the C100???? Is it really worth the extra cost of a C300?
 
C300 can't do 1080p60, it can do 720p60 which the C100 can't.

I could see that there is some hardware limitation to why neither can do 1080p60, but with things like the FS7 hitting the market soon I could see Canon losing more ground. And if Sony can steal away enough Canon customers it would make it easier if Panasonic came out with a solid AF200 camera that has all the best parts of a GH4 in a video focused body.
 
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