C500 MKII Leaked on Canon Rumors

The digital IS in the EOS R is pretty good and Newsshooter says this one is more advanced, so that's good.

Making the EVF removable was bright.
 
Why didn’t they call this a C400? Or C600? The C500 label is saddling the camera with the failure of the previous camera and it really isn’t taking much from the design philosophy of the C500.
 
I’m actually quite impressed and am surprised Canon didn’t come in at $20K with this. I’m almost shocked that this comes with a built in lens stabilization with any lens to boot! I’m also surprised it comes with the LCD, expected it to be just a block like the C200B. Also surprised the modules aren’t priced way higher.

In a vacuum I’m very impressed - Canon seems to have listened to feedback and made some great changes and improvement here. Other than a lack of Prores and higher frame rates this ticks every box for me at a really good price. Pro quality with handy consumer features (autofocus, image stabilization, etc.)

Functionally speaking, for me this is a better camera than the C700FF and it's half the price.

Will be interesting to see what Sony announces and how that compares.
 
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Nothing to be shocked about...it's just their improved technology which they've been testing in their stills cameras finally trickling up, down, over to the cinema systems.

For $16K, you really must provide everything you have.
 
I wish it had two video outputs so you could use both the $6k viewfinder and LCD at the same time.

On the flip side, I don't know how many people will spend $6k for a viewfinder on a $16k camera.
 
puredrifting said:
. As far as RF mount,
I really don't care. All RF lenses are fly by wire, which is horrendously bad for video shooting and personally I think the lenses are a bit overpriced. .
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Maybe it will be added in the future by Canon, but I think the lack of an RF mount is the only thing missing from this camera that would really give it a leg up. While the RF lenses are focus by wire, they have been designed to work very will with DPAF. The focus drives are adaptable to different speeds and settings. The control rings can function as a natural looking iris adjustment. Also, the focus by wire can be set to a 1:1 adjustment so that focus pulls are reproducible. Finally, the new rf lenses are some of the sharpest and fastest available if that is what you want.
 
cpreston said:
Maybe it will be added in the future by Canon, but I think the lack of an RF mount is the only thing missing from this camera that would really give it a leg up. While the RF lenses are focus by wire, they have been designed to work very will with DPAF. The focus drives are adaptable to different speeds and settings. The control rings can function as a natural looking iris adjustment. Also, the focus by wire can be set to a 1:1 adjustment so that focus pulls are reproducible. Finally, the new rf lenses are some of the sharpest and fastest available if that is what you want.
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Yeah, but I already have a pile of EF glass and if ultimate quality is a concern, prosumer RF lenses aren't in the same league as $50k or $100k PL glass.
It's funny, everyone is asking for, wishing for and pontificating that every new camera (this one, BMD PCC 6K, etc.) should have an RF mount, but short of the EOS R and RP, nobody is actually doing that.
Maybe Canon won't release specs? Maybe licensing/patents are an issue? Who knows, but in 2019, RF isn't happening.
 
Eric Coughlin said:
I wish it had two video outputs so you could use both the $6k viewfinder and LCD at the same time.

On the flip side, I don't know how many people will spend $6k for a viewfinder on a $16k camera.
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I agree, that EVF-V70 is a great EVF, I really dug using it when I shot with the C700FF last year but at $6K, it's priced more like an Arri accessory.
From what they told us, the EVF-V50 will sell for $700.00, which I thought was reasonable although I am sure it's like the EVF on the C200, usable, but nothing to write home about.
If I were buying the C500 MKII, I would just get the V-Mount back and skip an EVF. I've given up on shoulder mount shooting Canons, unless someone is paying me to do so,
they are awful shoulder rig cameras and this C500 MKII will be no different.

I'm kind of amazed that Canon still seems so fixated on making all of the C series cameras than the C700 so shoulder mount unfriendly and small, like everyone is going to HAVE to throw
it on a gimbal or a drone. Sony makes the FS7 MKII passable on the shoulder, the Varicam LT works better on the shoulder, the BMD UMP G2 reminds me of throwing a Betacam on the shoulder too.
I guess "modern" shooters, coming from the DSLR world, are cluleless about what a shoulder mounted camera should have to work with shooting that way? They seem to accept the ergonomic
mess that most modern cameras are.
 
Until RF has more lenses available, including higher end cinema lenses, it's not that big of a deal. And by the time those lenses are available, it'll be time to upgrade your 2019 camera anyway. I don't foresee Zeiss, Cooke, Leica, etc., releasing RF mount lenses particularly soon if ever.
 
puredrifting said:
I'm kind of amazed that Canon still seems so fixated on making all of the C series cameras than the C700 so shoulder mount unfriendly and small, like everyone is going to HAVE to throw
it on a gimbal or a drone. Sony makes the FS7 MKII passable on the shoulder, the Varicam LT works better on the shoulder, the BMD UMP G2 reminds me of throwing a Betacam on the shoulder too.
I guess "modern" shooters, coming from the DSLR world, are cluleless about what a shoulder mounted camera should have to work with shooting that way? They seem to accept the ergonomic
mess that most modern cameras are.
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A lot of people don't even bother with shoulder mounting. You've got cradling, monopods, gimbals, tripods, sliders, etc. When I shot weddings, I never shoulder mounted. Shoulder mounting takes up more space as you need a two foot long camera in order to properly balance, and a lot of situations (such as weddings), that size becomes a real hindrance. I've shot in cars with my Amira before, but it's always a pain and makes me wish I had a smaller camera in those unique situations. The Alexa Mini is not designed for shoulder mount, yet has become perhaps the most popular camera out there for high end work. I do appreciate the amazing and simple ergonomics of the Amira for shoulder mount work, but I also like having a smaller and lighter camera for versatility (which my C300 Mark IIs currently serve). The C700 was just too large in my opinion while the C500 Mark II is offering modularity.

I guess I'm being a bit contrary by saying I like the Amira's ergonomics but not the C700's which is similar. I guess the way I see it, the C700 has an inferior image, so if I'm going to work with an inferior image, I want something beneficial in return, such as a smaller size that I can easily fit into tight spaces when needed, and the C700 didn't offer that, so didn't really offer enough to own in conjunction with an Amira.
 
puredrifting said:
Yeah, but I already have a pile of EF glass and if ultimate quality is a concern, prosumer RF lenses aren't in the same league as $50k or $100k PL glass.
It's funny, everyone is asking for, wishing for and pontificating that every new camera (this one, BMD PCC 6K, etc.) should have an RF mount, but short of the EOS R and RP, nobody is actually doing that.
Maybe Canon won't release specs? Maybe licensing/patents are an issue? Who knows, but in 2019, RF isn't happening.
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The RF lenses are actually really good. Probably sharper than most PL glass (which a lot of it is now aging besides the new PL cinema lenses). People of course would like the AF and IS too.

And RED is releasing the Komodo with it, so naturally people have found out and are pontificating. lol
 
Eric Coughlin said:
A lot of people don't even bother with shoulder mounting. You've got cradling, monopods, gimbals, tripods, sliders, etc. When I shot weddings, I never shoulder mounted. Shoulder mounting takes up more space as you need a two foot long camera in order to properly balance, and a lot of situations (such as weddings), that size becomes a real hindrance. I've shot in cars with my Amira before, but it's always a pain and makes me wish I had a smaller camera in those unique situations. The Alexa Mini is not designed for shoulder mount, yet has become perhaps the most popular camera out there for high end work. I do appreciate the amazing and simple ergonomics of the Amira for shoulder mount work, but I also like having a smaller and lighter camera for versatility (which my C300 Mark IIs currently serve). The C700 was just too large in my opinion while the C500 Mark II is offering modularity.

I guess I'm being a bit contrary by saying I like the Amira's ergonomics but not the C700's which is similar. I guess the way I see it, the C700 has an inferior image, so if I'm going to work with an inferior image, I want something beneficial in return, such as a smaller size that I can easily fit into tight spaces, and the C700 didn't offer that, so didn't really offer enough to own in conjunction with an Amira.
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On a much lower level, this is exactly why I bought the XT-3. when shooting "undercover or low key" for our docu series, even the cradled C200 with just a lens and the touchscreen was still too large, ungainly, heavy and intrusive. The places I've been able to shoot with the XT-3 without getting bothered/hassled have been pretty cool. The honest, open and emotional interviews and soundbites too would have been much more difficult to capture while shooting the C200, much less a large camera like an Amira. I've only shot with the Amira twice and it's a beast, I had to have a PA carry around my batteries in his backpack all day. Great camera and image but it's a burden to shoot with shoulder mounted.
 
puredrifting said:
I guess "modern" shooters, coming from the DSLR world, are cluleless about what a shoulder mounted camera should have to work with shooting that way? They seem to accept the ergonomic mess that most modern cameras are.
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Old-timers never learn...LOL, j/k!

(You might appreciate that as you refer to yourself as a geezer here and there.)
 
NorBro said:
The RF lenses are actually really good. Probably sharper than most PL glass (which a lot of it is now aging besides the new PL cinema lenses). People of course would like the AF and IS too.

And RED is releasing the Komodo with it, so naturally people have found out and are pontificating. lol
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Yep, I forgot about the Komodo. But I'm still confused as to what the Komodo actually IS? Is it a Hydrogen docking station that shoots or somehow requires having the Hydrogen or can you shoot with the Komodo with just a regular monitor?
 
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