BURBANK FILM PERMIT ORDINANCE - HEARING Tuesday, Dec 9

That was funny, so we shot in Sherman Oaks at a restaurant there, without a permit, huge glass sliding doors so you could see right in, the 1st A.D. said that he saw a few cops drive by, check it out, but just kept going. The restaurant owner was like, "We won't have any problems, this is private property, we can do whatever we want here," and I didn't say anything, because he's right actually, but I just thought, "Well, that's not what Film LA thinks." If I had the money and the time to care, like if I had a solid $50 million in the bank, I'd just make sure to earmark a nice amount for striking down that nonsense.

Is there really ANY doubt that this would not past muster in court? I don't think so. If this was taken to the court, and went its way up, there is absolutely no chance any court of law would uphold some non-governmental organization's authority to tell you that you can't film on your own property without a permit. It'd be immensely satisfying to be the one to strike that down. They already HAVE laws that cover any potential problems -- parking tons of semis on the street, for instance, would be covered by other ordinances relating to city streets and street parking, any noise created by the shoot that was unreasonable or bothered neighbors is already covered by noise ordinances, so really there is no reason to have this additional "you can't film in general" bullcrap.

The 1st A.D. has done some pretty big stuff, he was like whatever, I don't care about their rules, and he agreed that it wouldn't stand up in court if it was ever actually challenged. The problem is the people who are too cheap to get a permit are also too cheap to go after these SOBs. And the big players know it's cheaper to just play along, plus they also create such a large imprint where they go that they probably feel it's totally worthwhile. They get a good deal out of it! We don't! How am I supposed to think it's fair to pay $685 to film in someone's restaurant when I have ONE U-Haul van parked out back and my crew has various parking on the streets that is well within their rights? I'm not getting ANYTHING for that money, that's a private agreement between two citizens, myself and the property owner, absolutely NONE of the government's business. Even thinking about something like this infuriates me, that it could be considered acceptable anywhere makes me wish death upon whoever thought this was ok. This is not ok. People like that should be SHOT, then we at least would have a country with the freedoms we are SUPPOSED to have by the founding documents of the nation! What happened to our "certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed." I do not give my consent, whatsoever, and neither does anyone else, because nobody honestly believes that what happens on private property is any of the government's goddamn business unless it's like nuclear or weapons manufacturing, drugs, etc. A matter of public interest. My pursuit of happiness is filming, and they are seriously not helping that along ;)

My next short is about a meteor that hits FilmLA, where at the same time a freak computer glitch erases any record of the company existing. I can't say I like the people, either, everyone who works there in my experience is a tool, or a thief (one guy blatantly tried to make me pay an extra $100 cash, then corrected himself, "Oh... yeah, only $685, I was... joking." It was obviously not a joke but a robbery attempt.) But then again they are thieves in general, what they do should be prosecuted and they should be thrown in jail for extortion. They don't help the economy, they don't help filmmakers, they are useless leeches, and frankly the world would be better off with them all cast out into space falling through a black hole to miserable deaths. But that's just my opinion. ;)

Nobody needs to mention that California is just not quite right, with the huge budget problems and weird laws, but this is seriously like the People's Republic of California, it's not a free state at all. This is what is considered liberal? I don't consider California a liberal state at all. It may be liberal if you think liberal means voting for democrats, but it's far from liberal. Nevada is a liberal state -- i.e. they don't pass stupid laws banning things that aren't the government's domain to ban. In California, you can't even own nunchuks! They are illegal. I have a pair anyway, I have trained a bit in them, they're perfectly legal anywhere else, but in your own home they say you can't own a pair of nunchucks. But of course you can own an assault rifle. That makes a world of sense. You can't get a concealed weapons permit at all in Los Angeles County, which is great, only the gangsters can carry weapons around basically. I'm a "Registered Bystander," meaning I'm in the only group of people who can't shoot, you know, we got the police and the gangsters, I'm just somewhere in the middle. The number of stupid overbearing laws here far exceeds anywhere else I know. Far from being liberal, it's actually closer to a fascist regime.
 
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LOL. As far as shooting on private property It depends on if the office is actually connected with the government. I was always under the impression FilmLA was part of the LA Film office but this post lead me to do a little research (think going to their website) which has shown they are nothing of the sort. I assume FilmLA has been around so long people don't question it, but they may indeed have some pull with local authorities.

First off you can't make filming on private property illegal simply because it violates the first amendment. (Making one have to pay for their speech). If people hassle you there are some tricks. My thing is ride up in cars versus trucks. The light kit and dolly are all broken down in the trunk and I can bring the camera and tripod. If there's any weapons I bring that too or if we're really getting deep I'll tell my weapons guy to bring it. (He has everything if not he can make it).

Also keep the curtains closed if you don't need the light. Use airsoft guns and add effects in via computer later on. Keep lighting packages simple. These few things will help. I've had several incidents with police but never had a real issue. One our first feature we filmed at Wrigley plaza on a weekend, but they told us to go around back and shoot, that was it.

-Nate
 
Does anyone know where I can find the law on the books for permits in LA. I just think its total BS that when I'm down shooting tests or just getting stock shots that I need a permit. I've just heard so many different things and Film LA is a joke. They would try and sell you fire in hell. These people don't care about civil liberties and they want you to pay these retarded amounts of money for nothing. I pay taxes in this area, so I'm paying for this stuff to exist and to be cleaned and all that good stuff. Why shouldn't I be allowed to film here if I'm not disturbing anyone.

I am glad to hear that Burbank is attempting to pull its head out of its ass. Wish LA would figure out the same thing. BTW I would laugh at a cop trying to tell me that I couldn't shoot in my own house without a permit.
 
The fact that any government can make a law against filming on private property is a violation of property rights. To those who feel it is one's civic duty to pay taxes, I humbly remind you that idiocy, such as described regarding permits, is the result. Go on.. feed the monster that is eventually going to eat you alive.
 
The fact that any government can make a law against filming on private property is a violation of property rights. To those who feel it is one's civic duty to pay taxes, I humbly remind you that idiocy, such as described regarding permits, is the result. Go on.. feed the monster that is eventually going to eat you alive.

I try and not feed into that system as much as I can but it would be nice to throw the law back into the cops face. That's what I love about cops, they don't have to know the law or even follow it. They just have to feel like something is wrong to waste your time.

But for them to enforce this type of law there must be something on the books. Or is it like us paying income tax...we only put up with it because we think its the law.
 
I've kicked cops off of private property before. lol
Dude rolled up with a "hey move along buddy" as I was hanging at my friends house out front...with my friend who owns the property.
We shrugged it off and kept as we were when we comes flying up Dukes of Hazzard style, hopping out, drawing down, cussing and threatening me. I calmly reminded him that cussing was a class C misdemeanor, he was on private property without a warrent, and that pulling his weapon is indeed life-threatening.
I have found cops to be fine things to ignore in tv production and in life in general.
 
Im in Australia so assume laws are probably much different, but we do have local permit laws that I pretty much choose to ignore.

Twice in the last month Ive set up a crane on beaches and just went ahead and shot, reflectors and flags etc. Not talking particularly quiet beaches either. Both for tvcm. Friday I was in a busy area, tripod, 500 set up in the middle of the street (no traffic area), same thing.
 
They're only easy to ignore until they start putting the handcuffs on you. ;-)

Thats is hard to ignore. I have found not being intimidated helps wonders. If you look back at your youth at how many times you were harrassed by cops... you simply did what they said out of intimidation. This is why they intimidate kids....it doesn't work that well with middle aged men.
On that same scale, you'll also find far more things are legal when your midel aged than they were when you could get more trim than the guy messin with ya.
 
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