Build Your Ultimate Documentary Camera...

custerc

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So the news of the c300 and Scarlet-X got me thinking about gear again, and how those cameras stack up to the specific needs of a documentary filmmaker. That got me thinking about if I could design a camera, what sort of features would I want it to have? Here's my list, what would YOU want?

(Note: this is pretty tailored to my style of shooting, which is all natural light, and requires portability and some sturdiness)

Sensor: Ideally, I'd want a full-frame sensor like the 5dmkii, because of the low light capabilities, but I could certainly live with an APS-Cish sensor as well as my 60D has done great for us in low light with fast enough glass in front of it.

Codec: I don't much care about this, not much of a pixel-peeper, but I do like the relative file-size to record-time ratio of AVCHD (and the final quality is still quite good). H264 is fine too, anything better than that is just icing on the cake, but not necessary.

Audio: Obviously it needs XLR inputs, ideally two of them w/ phantom power, and live audio monitoring via headphone jack. But it'd also be nice to have a built-in mic that produced acceptable quality sound, for times when there wasn't time/it wasn't possible for whatever reason to plug in something external.

Form Factor: Something small, and geared towards handheld shooting rather than shoulder mounted. It'd need to be a bit bigger than a DSLR, but I'd want something small, unostentatious, and easy to handle. (Note: an EVF would be great, but I'd be willing to live without one and/or attach a third party EVF IF the built-in flip-out LCD was good enough)

Body: Built of something sturdy, not plastic. That makes it a bit heavier, but I need something that can take a little punishment. If it were possible to make it wate/dust proof that would be amazing but I doubt it'd be possible because...

Lenses/Mount: I want interchangable lenses. Sorry, but the fixed-lens thing just doesn't make much sense these days (and this is coming from someone who owns an HMC150). I'd much rather have an interchangable lens camera that maybe came with a good kit zoom lens that could serve as the "fixed" lens most of the time but could be easily switched out for special situations. And as long as I'm dreaming, let's put a Canon mount on there, with electronic controls.

Storage: SD cards, or CF cards. Not interested in paying a billion dollars for P2 or Red's SSDs. In fact, as far as doc work goes, it would be great if in addition to having, say, an SD card slot, it had a built-in SSD, even a small one (at least 64 GBs maybe)

Other stuff: Built-in ND filters. Just too useful to leave out. Obviously, onscreen audio monitoring and all of that jazz as well. Would love some feature that highlights what's in focus, i.e. the red outline on the sony cams (I haven't used this myself but it sounds v. useful) so that there's no need for an external monitor.

Price: Well, obviously my preferred price for this is $0, but speaking more realistically, I'd say maybe $6k or a little more? What I've described is basically an AF 100 or FS100, but with a larger sensor and a few other little tweaks. But they put an APS-C sensor in the Canon t2i, so it can't be that expensive, and those cameras are already around a year old....


So, uh, yeah, Panasonic, want to help me out with this?
 
They pretty much did, as you already said...it's basically an FS100 or AF100.

Yeah but the low-light performance/sensor size is kind of a make or break issue for someone who shoots with natural light most of the time. I dunno about the FS100 bc I'm not as familiar with that, but that issue alone kept me from even considering buying an AF100

EDIT: After reading a bit about the FS100 sensor, it's not even APS-C size but it might do. The FS100 doesn't have built in ND filters though, which is a pain in the ass omission for Sony to have made....
 
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Weather sealing wouldn't be that difficult. I mean, if Pentax can do it with their DSLR cameras like the K5, and Nikon did it with the D3S, then something like the FS100 or AF100 shouldn't be that difficult to weather seal. The issue then becomes finding lenses that are also weather sealed, Pentax makes some though.

They just don't really seem to care about things like this, I mean, even in the non-interchangeable market, I only know of 1 newer camcorder that is weather sealed, and it is the Sony NX70, and it isn't even completely weather sealed, you need to take the handle/external microphone attachment off first, that seems silly to me.
 
Yeah but the low-light performance/sensor size is kind of a make or break issue for someone who shoots with natural light most of the time. I dunno about the FS100 bc I'm not as familiar with that, but that issue alone kept me from even considering buying an AF100

EDIT: After reading a bit about the FS100 sensor, it's not even APS-C size but it might do. The FS100 doesn't have built in ND filters though, which is a pain in the ass omission for Sony to have made....

The FS100 has a S35 sized sensor and gives an incredibly clean image at high ISO's and in low light. Consider also that when you shoot video with a DSLR the top and bottom of the sensor are getting cropped out for video.

Canon aps-c - 22.3mm x 14.9mm / 26.7mm diagonal
Fs-100 - 23.6mm x 13.8mm / 27.1 diagonal
 
fast primes on an af100 are pretty money in low light. I have a 50mm f1.4 that I got for $120, and got it modded by duclos, it looks beautiful.
I mean, everything you listed is the AF100 or of course the fs100 which is basically the same camera, but less intuitive, usability wise.
 
Was thinking about starting one of these. You have a good list.

Form factor is of interest to me as of late.

Super small is ideal. Sony NEX mirror less cameras have been good at championing this.

the GH2 is nice and small too.

But beyond size, personality of the shape is important to. Many designers are trying to make something that looks the part, but as a documentarian, I want a camera that catches as little attention as possible.

The other side of that, is the AF100. A relatively small size, but has an awkward bloated look, which looks generic, yet oddly over complicated. And over complicated is not a what we want.

The C300 is sleek and small, but, looks like business, and it a little intimedating. The Audio solution sits way high and is another complicated apparatus that steals attention.

The FS100 is getting close. A little unwieldy. The mic boom is really weird looking.

It'd be nice if the cameras had in-body xlr. Even the min xlr's like on Red 1. Or an elegant cable breakout solution (no box).



Built in ND is a huge factor in form. It reduces the need for Mattebox filter system. (and don't talk to me about variND or screw ons. )





There are many different kinds of documentaries, and I am sure there are those where a big presence can help. But not in my case, where I am working with normal lives, and sensitive situations.
 
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I had an AF100 for a few months and did not like it (I could get an image in focus to save my life). But this camera did look the closest of anything on the market to the ideal documentary tool on paper.

I was on the street with my FS100 a few days ago and some guy ran up to me from down the block to check it out. And I don't have mine "kitted" out. The thing's just too gimicky looking.

Image stabilization is important for me. I find myself in situations where there isn't time for a tripod, or I'm trying to keep a low profile and I want to shoot with a long focal length. Aside from the price, this is why I can't get excited about the C300 (I know the EF lens OIS motors are noisy but really, would it have been that hard to add this ability to the camera?). The NEX-7 looks interesting for a low-attention camera, if it ever gets here.

The thing missing from the large sensor cameras is real zoom control. I know many poo-poo zooming as a 70s thing, but a smooth, slow zoom at the right time can be an awesome tool emotionally, and you just can't get that with the still lenses all the manufacturers stick on their large sensor cameras. Sure you can add some kind of follow-focus wheel, but then you end up with a rig that draws a crowd and takes three people to operate.

Bottom line, I don't think there will be anything perfect as long as technology keeps evolving so fast. If everyone would just accept C300/FS100 sensitivity & sensor size, 1080p at 24 to 60 fps, an 8-bit/40MB codec for three or four years the market competition might force the manufacturers to make a camera with all the features we want in a great form factor for under $10K. But I don't see that happening, as everyone is already harshing on Canon for not having 10-bit on the C300. So we push them for the latest technology, and they give us cameras with glaring omissions.
 
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