boom suggestion
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hello, Oleg2, it is me. Still remember me? You recommended to buy SD302 last year, and I am very happy with it.
I am not familiar with articulated boom either, but take a look of this page:
http://www.mklemme.com/pole/ka113ccr.htm
By the way, any specific model of K-tek you will recommend me to buy ?
King
I am not familiar with articulated boom either, but take a look of this page:
http://www.mklemme.com/pole/ka113ccr.htm
By the way, any specific model of K-tek you will recommend me to buy ?
King
Steve House
Veteran
Articulateds are handy for newsies who have to work in tight-packed press scrums where there's limited space to swing a straght boom. The downside is they're less rigid and could be a little more prone to handling noise. Unless you really need its advantages, I'd stay with a conventional one.
i never worked one , but you can ask scott harber ( the guy in the picture - recorded the 'burat " allone - no booman !!!!!!!!!, email me privetly and i will forward you his email )
what boom -depends what do you shoot - if it documenatary something like 3-4 meters would be enouth , if it is a fiction at least 5 -6
internaly coiled or not - that depends on you , i prefer not but some like it more. so dont really know what to sudgest
thanks, Steve. It is very helpful.
Hi, Oleg,
I am thinking to have K-tek K-152, but I am not sure if I need the coiled cable, that is, CC or CCR. Actually, I am not sure how Flow Through wokrs. Does it mean that I can use my own cable inserting inside the boom? Then it sounds great, and I don't see the big difference between Flow Through and CC, but it seems Flow Thruogh is cheaper.
Also, I found out that they have a cheaper model called Avalon. It is much cheaper, but what are the disadvantages?
Thanks a lot.
King
mainstreetprod
Veteran
All the Avalons are aluminum and could transmit more handling noise than carbon fiber. Might not be an issue with mics that are not particularly susceptible , but would be with the Oktava.
saneproductions
Veteran
if you want a cheaper carbon fiber pole, you can always get a gitzo
Oleg your an audio pro and Im not, so can you elaborate on this statement? I have a vdb and from its as good as anything I have seen - again I am NOT an audio pro, so appreciate your input.
No, not Gitzo. As I said I am having one, but anyway, it is a long story, and I don't think that it is very well designed.
Anyway, my Gitzo is an old one. Maybe, they have a better one now. I am not sure.
Anyway, thanks a lot, Mike.
Right now, I am thinking if I take the Flow Through model from K-tek, but to be honest, I am not sure how it works. Has anyone here used this type of boom before?
Thanks.
King
Anyway, my Gitzo is an old one. Maybe, they have a better one now. I am not sure.
Anyway, thanks a lot, Mike.
Right now, I am thinking if I take the Flow Through model from K-tek, but to be honest, I am not sure how it works. Has anyone here used this type of boom before?
Thanks.
King
Noel,
I just heard from my sale woman. She told me that someone complained about the lock of vdb or something. Anyway, I never use it before, so just passing the words from the sale person.
Thanks.
King
stucks , dont lock , show you it locks and it not , basicaly ruing your life
now iam talking about the new models , the old ones way better , no problem at all
something that almost never happend with my k-teks and ambients
I(yes i know how to open and clean it )
AH yes Oleg, I did read about that awhile before I bought mine.
But, check this out from trewaudio
For years the Van den Bergh "VdB" boom poles (fish poles) had been far better than any others for most situations. It looked like boom pole technology had reached its pinnacle.
OK, so they bent too much and sometimes broke when fully extended with a heavy mic fully rigged (like the 816), but that was just the laws of physics: Lighter weight equals less strength and more bend. Right?
Well, the K-Tek pole proved that theory wrong. Offering greater strength without adding weight, with precision metal components and some very well made modular accessories, the K-Tek definitely took boom poles to a higher plane.
So, the K-Tek is as good as it will ever be, right? Well… have you seen the new VdB poles?
Improvements
At last count, the new VdB poles offer four undeniable improvements, and that’s not counting the lower price.
First, the poles are lighter still than the K-Tek (per foot) while somehow managing to be even stiffer.
Second, the inside diameter of the smallest element allows an XLR connector to pass through making it possible to cable and uncable the pole quickly and with no soldering at all. You can actually go from a straight cabled pole to a coiled cabled pole in about two minutes.
Third, because each pole is made with six sections (as opposed to the traditional five), the VdB 18’ pole will collapse even shorter than the K-Tek 16’ pole.
Fourth, the new VdB has an innovative system for locking and loosening the telescoping elements. This new locking system is a combination of improvements and drawbacks, but the end result, in my opinion, is improvement. Utilizing extreme precision manufacturing, the new locking system requires less than a ¼ turn, with very little effort, in either direction. Herein hides a danger, because the uninitiated may (and many have, already) attempt to loosen a section of the pole in the conventional manner by turning the collar counter clockwise when it had already been turned counter clockwise to tighten the section. Continuing to turn it further counter clock wise can make it so tight that it cannot be loosened by hand. The collars have white dots to indicate which direction they need to be turned to loosen them, but as Murphy says: "If it can happen it eventually will", (and it has).
The first poles of this new generation were shipped with faulty metal inserts used in the VdB tightening mechanism: They rusted. Since all boom poles will soon find themselves wet, this is a problem that had to be fixed and has. Now, all of these poles are fitted with stainless steel inserts.
Competition is the mother of improvement, which is why our tools are always getting better. So, while the K-Tek boom poles remain the choice of many, the new VdB boom poles may have the edge for some operators.
But, check this out from trewaudio
For years the Van den Bergh "VdB" boom poles (fish poles) had been far better than any others for most situations. It looked like boom pole technology had reached its pinnacle.
OK, so they bent too much and sometimes broke when fully extended with a heavy mic fully rigged (like the 816), but that was just the laws of physics: Lighter weight equals less strength and more bend. Right?
Well, the K-Tek pole proved that theory wrong. Offering greater strength without adding weight, with precision metal components and some very well made modular accessories, the K-Tek definitely took boom poles to a higher plane.
So, the K-Tek is as good as it will ever be, right? Well… have you seen the new VdB poles?
Improvements
At last count, the new VdB poles offer four undeniable improvements, and that’s not counting the lower price.
First, the poles are lighter still than the K-Tek (per foot) while somehow managing to be even stiffer.
Second, the inside diameter of the smallest element allows an XLR connector to pass through making it possible to cable and uncable the pole quickly and with no soldering at all. You can actually go from a straight cabled pole to a coiled cabled pole in about two minutes.
Third, because each pole is made with six sections (as opposed to the traditional five), the VdB 18’ pole will collapse even shorter than the K-Tek 16’ pole.
Fourth, the new VdB has an innovative system for locking and loosening the telescoping elements. This new locking system is a combination of improvements and drawbacks, but the end result, in my opinion, is improvement. Utilizing extreme precision manufacturing, the new locking system requires less than a ¼ turn, with very little effort, in either direction. Herein hides a danger, because the uninitiated may (and many have, already) attempt to loosen a section of the pole in the conventional manner by turning the collar counter clockwise when it had already been turned counter clockwise to tighten the section. Continuing to turn it further counter clock wise can make it so tight that it cannot be loosened by hand. The collars have white dots to indicate which direction they need to be turned to loosen them, but as Murphy says: "If it can happen it eventually will", (and it has).
The first poles of this new generation were shipped with faulty metal inserts used in the VdB tightening mechanism: They rusted. Since all boom poles will soon find themselves wet, this is a problem that had to be fixed and has. Now, all of these poles are fitted with stainless steel inserts.
Competition is the mother of improvement, which is why our tools are always getting better. So, while the K-Tek boom poles remain the choice of many, the new VdB boom poles may have the edge for some operators.
my dear , i had and have vdb poles , i have ambient poles , i have k-tek poles - my jugment is by oun these and get ****ed by vdb every time with the new models , i had vdb that was locked 2 weeks i bought it and flew to france , i had vdb which locked and we couldnt complete day shoot , i have 2 vdbs that you think they lockd and they not , isee new poles in rentals which have same problems - piece of **** , but it light and have 6 section .
idont give ashit what trew audio advertize on their site or whos products they make more money on .
you want good pole that doesnt make problems you buy ambient or k-tek
dont know much about psc or loom which came out , only the time ill tell how good they are ,
by the way i like the old vdbs and still have 2 of them which not make anyproblem the 805 and the 405 , but i will never buy adittional one from the new style crap .
idont give ashit what trew audio advertize on their site or whos products they make more money on .
you want good pole that doesnt make problems you buy ambient or k-tek
dont know much about psc or loom which came out , only the time ill tell how good they are ,
by the way i like the old vdbs and still have 2 of them which not make anyproblem the 805 and the 405 , but i will never buy adittional one from the new style crap .
Allen Green
Active member
Oleg,
I beleve VDB has went back to the old system (screw to tighten) I have one because the med pole will fit in a Peli 1600 and get me 9 ft. It was the longest I could find that would fold up under 24".
Good mixing.
I beleve VDB has went back to the old system (screw to tighten) I have one because the med pole will fit in a Peli 1600 and get me 9 ft. It was the longest I could find that would fold up under 24".
Good mixing.
saneproductions
Veteran
Hey, if you have the money for a graphite fiber k-tek, that is going to be best. A lot of people don't and end up going k-tek avalon (aluminum) over the gitzo and I think that is a mistake due to aluminium's higher transmission of vibration. For $280, you can get the 12' CF gitzo. New gitzo's are definatly better than the ones from a few years ago. I have the 12' gitzo CF and I love it. I know that there is another member of this forum that has the shorter k-tek graphite (9') and the much cheaper gitzo 12' and ends up using the gitzo quite a bit due to more reach.