It's just that after a few dinners at Indian restaurants with my Indian friends which were unvariably accompanied by large screen projections of Indian movies and/or music videos (hard to distinguish between the two, visuallly, stylistically or otherwise), I found they lack any sophistication whatsoever, are all done according to some formula (like, the hero rides into town and everyone starts singing), BUT: They sure have beautiful women in them (some dressed... little - hence Boobywood).
So there's my discussion on Bollywood. Don't get me wrong, I like to 'look at' them, I just don't like to 'watch' them and I find the stories extremely simplistic.
They "lack any sophistication...[are] done according to some formula...[the] stories [are]extremely simplistic...".
The Hollywood braintrusts' creative best efforts...
Magnificent Seven (remake of Seven Samurai)
The Time Machine
The Ring
The Thing
Father of the Bride
Doctor Dolittle
Scarface
Cape Fear
Freaky Friday
The Italian Job
Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey
Little Shop of Horrors
The Birdcage (remake of La Cage Aux Folles)
101 Dalmations
Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Nutty Professor
Dawn of the Dead
Red Dragon
You've Got Mail (remake of Shop Around the Corner)
Bedazzled
Born Yesterday (remake of Judy Holliday film starring Melanie Griffith)
Flubber
How the Grinch Stole Christmas
Miracle on 34th Street
Point of No Return
The Jackal
The Vanishing
The Fly
Ocean's Eleven
Night of the Living Dead
Godzilla
Gone in Sixty Seconds
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Cat People
Thirteen Ghosts
Thomas Crown Affair
King Kong (with Jessica Lange)
House on Haunted Hill
The Haunting
Sabrina
Postman Always Rings Twice
Get Carter
Gloria
Where the Boys Are
Island of Dr. Moreau
Mr. Deeds
Planet of the Apes
Rollerball
The Blob
Cheaper by the Dozen
Mighty Joe Young
The Out of Towners
Psycho
King Kong (with Linda Hamilton)
Lost Horizon
Parent Trap
Walking Tall
Village of the Damned
Heaven Can Wait (Warren Beatty remake of Robert Montgomery film)
Imitation of Life (Lana Turner, 1959...remake of 1934 film starring Claudette Colbert)
Invaders from Mars
Love Don't Cost a Thing
Manchurian Candidate
Meet Joe Black
Stepford Wives
The Children's Hour remake of "These Three" starring Merle Oberon, Miriam Hopkins)
The Ladykillers
The Preacher's Wife (remake of "The Bishop's Wife")
Vanilla Sky
Willard
Alfie
Starsky & Hutch
I didn't necessarily think of Hollywood as the pinnacle of creativity and imagination, so I guess it's a one-letter difference between B-wood and H-wood. It may well be that B-wood produces fantastic original work that just never makes it outside of India or into the mainstream theatres (which, by definition, wouldn't really care for anything outstanding).
One of the books on screenwriting I read said that there were only seven stories ever told, all over and over. I don't think it matters - I think HOW they are told is what matters. And Bollywood (and yes, a lot of Hollywood) doesn't seem to be too original here.
One bit of opinion on debating, if I may: When someone says 'A', don't negate it by saying 'but NOT B'. That's reserved for politicians. You cannot prove creative qualities of Bollywood by pointing out the lack thereof in Hollywood.
All I said I could live without it, and why. Pookie, I guess I don't understand the point of your reply - the one with a long list of 'made before' Hollywood flicks. It doesn't make anything I said about Bollywood invalid, or does it?
Now, I try to have an open mind, so if someone tells me 'you should see this movie' because such and such actor is great in it, or the story has a really interesting twist, or beautiful camera work, I usually go (in fact, that's the ONLY way I select which movies I want to see - advertising doesn't do it for me). So, notwithstanding what I've said before, if someone tells me stuff about a Bollywood production that would make me interested, I'd probably go.
Which is really to say - I am curious to hear what people have to say about 'individual' movies, but not that much about discussing 'Bollywood' as an 'art movement' or something like that (which by continuing to post in this thread I am doing anyway, I guess : ).
Hey, has anyone seen 'Vanity Fair'? Not a Bollywood, but apparently it has some elements. I'd like to hear what people think. I haven't seen it, so I am 'tabula rasa'.
Read again my post on debating. My statements about Bollywood don't represent any opinion of mine about Hollywood. It's like saying if you don't like quiche, you surely must like soup.
Get your logic straight, man!
Anyway - this thread is now tired. Have a good night.