BlackMagic - URSA Mini

Squig's right those 15 stops have yet to be proven just like there ability to deliver on time.

P.S. Doesn't it have global shutter @ upto 30fps .....and that's yet to be proven as well.
 
Surf it Mike said:
Some do some don't, cinema cameras don't .

IMO this give clues as to what BM believe this camera is about and the market they are targeting.
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I guess that depends how you define 'cinema camera'? F55? How about the F65?
Or the Alexa Mini? Alexa XT Studio? Panasonic Varicam? All these cameras have
internal NDs as do the Canon C100/300/300MarkII, Sony FS700/FS7/F3/F5.
So despite the video, it seems like large sensor cameras at a variety of price ranges
have figured out how to include built in ND filters no? But maybe they are not aiming at the
market of any of these cameras......
 
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squig said:
It's 1-2 stops less DR with the global shutter enabled.
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Okay... so use it in RS mode for everything else?

... That's the entire point of having a switch. It's no longer and/or... it's both. You get the best of both worlds quite literally at your fingertips without having to buy a mount or anything like that.

This is such a big deal that I'm surprised it's not one of the larger talking points. The sensor (especially in URSA) will have a bundle of DR in both modes, you just choose which one you need at whatever interval.
 
Kholi said:
Okay... so use it in RS mode for everything else?

... That's the entire point of having a switch. It's no longer and/or... it's both. You get the best of both worlds quite literally at your fingertips without having to buy a mount or anything like that.

This is such a big deal that I'm surprised it's not one of the larger talking points.
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People are crazy with the form factor instead. Certain shooters like to show off with any gear porn to feel themselves better because the other ones can see clearer them as motion picture shooters, not "mere" photographers ; ) The heavier camera the bigger artist we are! : D
 
I'm in. I Have a wedding in 3 weeks, and after that, I have an excellent condition c300 with a 165hrs on it that may be hitting the market for around $4100. stay tuned.
 
Kholi said:
Okay... so use it in RS mode for everything else?

... That's the entire point of having a switch. It's no longer and/or... it's both. You get the best of both worlds quite literally at your fingertips without having to buy a mount or anything like that.

This is such a big deal that I'm surprised it's not one of the larger talking points. The sensor (especially in URSA) will have a bundle of DR in both modes, you just choose which one you need at whatever interval.
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And this, is an awesome feature. Like I said, having choice is good, and in this case
you get to weigh the trade offs of the RS vs. the GS. That is pretty sweet.
 
Wow. Some unhappy folks here really want to keep on the old "Blackmagic is just selling beta testers" slag, but it's simply no longer the case. Sure their first camera absolutely was an experiment that took a long time to get airborne, but today they released their 6th, 7th, and 8th cameras, and their ship dates on the new ones are no further out than any other maker gives on new designs.

I think the whole "unreliable" thing is just wrong too. I myself and about 8 other people I know all bought Cinema and Production cameras in the past year and they've all been flawless. They work exactly as advertised, right out of the box, and we've had no glitches. Granted that is exactly what one should expect from a manufacturer that has a handful of years on a product line.

The beta testing period is long over. Some of their cameras might not have the features some may want, but they work exactly as advertised and for the money you pay you get incredible image quality.
 
Repost from another thread thinking it was his thread.........

I wouldn't be selling any camera until I knew firm delivery dates & had some user feedback .

I sort a suspect that after the trials & tribulations of previous cameras they may have there act together on this one. Here's hoping , because on paper, specs do look like a "game changer" for this end of the market.

Having said that I'm not sure I would be ordering a PL version as their "shim pack " looks like trouble.
 
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Selectable RS-GS is a big thing indeed. It makes RS a non-issue.

For example: the NX1 has awful RS shooting 4K, but super fast RS shooting 1080p (much faster than a C300, a Scarlet, or an FS7). And the a7S has horrible RS in full frame mode, but it's not so bad in APS-C mode. So, if I have to shoot something where RS would be a problem, there's a simple way to avoid it, and the cost is not that big.

On the URSA mini, the cost is even smaller (1.3 stops of DR according to the flyer of the sensor: read noise goes from <2e- to <5e-) and the fix is even better (it's not just fast RS, it's actually GS).
 
Fahnon said:
But if the specs are to be believed, this is the ONLY flaw this camera has on paper.
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Low light doesn't get much of a mention. That is my biggest concern, right now. C300 mk II looks like it will be good in low light and keep the DR.
 
I dont' know why people are still comparing cameras as if they're all made for you or a specific task.

This is really simple:

If you want a video camera with internal NDs, buy an FS7 or a C300. They're tasked for video-specific production, they produce video-like images, they have great lowlight for documentary shooting, they have their own video codecs, and they produce images straight out of the box that you can turn over to clients.

If you want a cinema camera you go to RED, ARRI or BMD... most of their cameras do NOT have internal NDs, most of them require you to post process the image, they have pretty okay lowlight if you plan on using lights as you should be doing, they all shoot to a master format or better (as of today, BMD and ARRI do XQ) without any upgrade costs or boards, at least two of them give you internal lossless, compressed, or uncompressed RAW, they are ALL tuned for an undeniably cinematic image.

Someone definitely makes a camera for you if you want internal NDs, it isn't Blackmagic.
Someone definitely makes a camera for you if you want the most cinematic image bang for buck under 10K, it is Blackmagic.

Easy choice...
 
RE: low light: I can't find the specs of the new sensor, but it should be similar to the pocket. Base ISO 800, maybe 1000, and not much headroom above that.

RE: cinematic image: the little video shot by Hook definitely looks A LOT more impressive than the short they made with the C300II.
 
Samuel H said:
I can't find the specs of the new sensor, but it should be similar to the pocket. Base ISO 800, maybe 1000, and not much headroom above that.
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JB mentioned that it's 800 right now, which is great. I was actually hoping for a base 400 with DR biased to the top end, but 800 and a nice log curve (BMD already does that really well) will be great. I would not be surprised if the sensor's capable of hitting greater than 1600 ISO for those that really want that.
 
I also wish this had ND, even though other cameras have that option, this is a very appealing package.

IMO NDs should be pretty much standard. They are a very practical for controlling artistic imagery - and while I have a kit rigged out with magnetic Xume Adaptors and Variable NDs, it's still a clumsy compromise to built in ND filters. I honestly can't imagine shooting anything without having NDs available (and when control exposure on video via shutter it just makes me want to puke!) - I would be a huge fan of NDs not having to be a factor on which camera I want to choose. A world where it was as standard as a lens mount and record button would be beautiful indeed.

Otherwise, this camera does look fantastic...

My main question is, has the BMC reliability and menu functionality improved from earlier iterations of cameras?
 
Kholi said:
I dont' know why people are still comparing cameras as if they're all made for you or a specific task.

This is really simple:

If you want a video camera with internal NDs, buy an FS7 or a C300. They're tasked for video-specific production, they produce video-like images, they have great lowlight for documentary shooting, they have their own video codecs, and they produce images straight out of the box that you can turn over to clients.

If you want a cinema camera you go to RED, ARRI or BMD... most of their cameras do NOT have internal NDs, most of them require you to post process the image, they have pretty okay lowlight if you plan on using lights as you should be doing, they all shoot to a master format or better (as of today, BMD and ARRI do XQ) without any upgrade costs or boards, at least two of them give you internal lossless, compressed, or uncompressed RAW, they are ALL tuned for an undeniably cinematic image.

Someone definitely makes a camera for you if you want internal NDs, it isn't Blackmagic.
Someone definitely makes a camera for you if you want the most cinematic image bang for buck under 10K, it is Blackmagic.

Easy choice...
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