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vladszp said:
@Simon Shasha
what is quality of Sigma EX 20mm F1.8?
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It's extremely sharp and fast - it's full-frame too - so you can use it on a 5D or D800 if need be. On the BMC, it will equate to roughly 46mm FoV. A lot of people will probably bury me for saying this, but I've always found Sigma EX to be sharper than Canon L glass. I've got the Sigma EX 10-20mm F3.5, 20mm F1.8, 30mm F1.4, and from to time, I borrow my friends 50mm F1.4 and 85mm F1.4 - sharpest lenses I've ever used. A lot of people will probably disagree though haha :thumbsup:
 
John Brawley said:
Compact prime. I think maybe the 50mm....

jb
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Thanks John, and again we all appreciate you taking the time out to do this when we know you've got a shoot going on.

Just watched it again, it's a super picture and I detect no lack of shallow DoF either ;)

Now, if only there was genlock, so we could have images like that in stereo... :)

Cheers

Neil
 
I have an EF mount (planned for companies to make moves like these from day one) Sigma 20/1.8. Have footage from it on the GH2, it's not too shabby wide open, a little soft for my tastes but works out well down to 2.8 and beyond. It's also nice and bulky.

Takes 82mm filters, though, so you need to either have an entire set of 82s or buy extras for it.

I'm eyeballing a full set of 82 Hoyas ...
 
Thomas Smet said:
As a M43 user I fail to see exactly how much of an advantage the M43 lenses have over EF lenses. These days I typically shoot a lot with my 20mm f1.7 lens which I find to be plenty wide in a lot of situations. I know this is far from ultra wide but I find it works very well in most situations. That 20mm is a normal 35mm rating so any 20mm EF lens should give equal results. I don't know as much about EF lenses but I found a lot of lenses in the 14mm to 24mm range. Maybe they were not super fast but you can get fast 24mm EF lenses.

A lot of "lowlight" M43 shooters now use one of two 24mm lenses which are even longer. This should be a good match for the many fast 24mm EF lenses I have found.

M43 is plagued by a lot of slow lenses on the long end and really I was surprised to see so many better options for long primes and zooms with EF. There isn't a single decent zoom lens for M43 that is fast. On the ultra wide end M43 has a 14mm but it is f2.5. There are a couple of other ultra wide lenses but they are very slow. Olympus does have a 12mm 2.0 lens but thats really currently the only option. I still think at 12mm and 14mm EF actually has more options.

Finally many of us M43 users shoot with old manual Nikon and FD lenses and on the wide fast end are typically 24mm and 28mm at f2.0 or f2.8. So again not very many options for us on the ultra wide end but we use them to great success.

It is a bummer for me to have to buy all new lenses but I really fail to see how the current crop of EF lenses is a problem. I think M43 lens options are a lot more limited and outside of 3 or 4 lenses wouldn't really offer very many options for the BM camera. I plan on keeping my GH1 to shoot stills so it does suck that I have to have two sets of lenses. I might consider selling it and getting a Canon DSLR but I really love my GH1. The size and easy of use are great and I love how much better the video footage can look when I'm on vacation. With that said I actually do think EF lenses are a better choice for the BM camera. To say I wish it was M43 instead would be a selfish reason.
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In terms of zoom you have the olympus 14-35 f2.0 for m43 and the soon to come panasonic 12-35 f.28. They have thre coresponding 35-100 also. A 24mm would equal more than a 50 mm on photo 135ff, so I don't think anyone would consider it as a wide. Perhaps you are use shooting only talking heads or exterior, if else you would see why people woud need wider lense. I an not talking about ultrawide but at least a 24 mm (again I am talking photo size). So the only solution would be for now the 11-16 Tokina, which is a good lens, but I think thats it. Now in M43 you have the 12mm olympus at f2 (that you mentioned) but also the slr magic 12 f1.6. You also have the 17 and 25mm f.09 voiglander lens, and many other comming out that are design to mimic standart lens focal range with fast apertures. The longer end is ok because ith the flange distance you can adapt more or less everything.

This is why I see your post a bit bizar. Because for this sensor size the m43 lenses are much more adapted. The olympus f.2 and the voighlander would make this camera much more closer to the look (dof) of the larger sensor camera. I really hope they put it on the priority list even before PL mount. Because the market they are aiming at does not have that much money for cine lens and if need be someone can put a pl adapter to a M43 mount.
 
i was thinking about second hand leice elmaritr 19 f2.8 ... i saw one in leica shop for 1300$ ...
lot of money but for a queen of wide lens ... no need to go cheap on the lens...
 
there was something 70's about the girl in hair curlers... maybe its the colors. Skin looked a bit flat and ... yellowish
 
I really like how straight-forward BMD has been in communicating about this camera and how helpful John Brawley has been. I am really getting a good feeling about the camera as well as the company.
 
I ordered mine yesterday. Thanks BlackMagic. You make cinema really affordable. I cant spend 17000$ in a camera. I will merge 5D Mark II and this beauty in my proyecs. I think that BMCC for day hard light. In nigh low light, I`ll use 5DMark II. Perfect combination for me. And another impresive thing: I will can shot with my canon 400mm+2Xextender+BMCC at 2000mm. Totally awesome, perfect for nature and sports.
 
There is also still the option of rigging one of these with a 35mm adapter if people really want an FF35 or S35 aesthetic/lens options.

With such a nice, and high quality, backend on the BM it could give people the other qualities they're looking for.
 
Mark Williams said:
I really like how straight-forward BMD has been in communicating about this camera and how helpful John Brawley has been. I am really getting a good feeling about the camera as well as the company.
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I too want to add my voice to this observation. Thank you very much to BMD and Mr. Bradley for their transparency and approachability . Simply beautyful how they were able to keep this thing quite and then went it was time to reveale they are refreshingly open.
 
Grug said:
There is also still the option of rigging one of these with a 35mm adapter if people really want an FF35 or S35 aesthetic/lens options.

With such a nice, and high quality, backend on the BM it could give people the other qualities they're looking for.
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I laughed when I read this...then thought about it...then smiled and thought about my letus. Would be a great pair, loved the look of gg.
 
J Davis said:
there was something 70's about the girl in hair curlers... maybe its the colors. Skin looked a bit flat and ... yellowish
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Expect to see more of this and worse when the first tests start rolling out. John admitted that an actual colorist would be able to do much better. When people start trying to correct to Dell monitors or worse, oh boy. You can already see it happening anyway...

Those colorist classes are gonna make a lot of moneez. Gonna be a lot of custom lut upload and downloads flying around to save eyeballs, though.
 
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