Other: BlackMagic Cinema camera!!!! 2.5k for 3k...

Right, no built-in ND. Check.

Realistically, this camera looks to be worth it when you consider its bundled with Resolve. On the other hand, there is nothing here that Panasonic couldn't do in a GH3 (if they had the will to do so) probably for less than $3k.

Hey Blackmagic (if you are reading), send me one I can test on bright sunlit snow for you.
 
Andrew speaks loudly, but his overall point is sound. Everything about digital cameras (except lenses) is subject to Moore's Law... and now that smaller companies are in the game, the price will start dropping faster.

Lord, it has been for years anyway. Go back and look at what the Sony f23 cost new a few years ago...

edit: also, not sure if others have elaborated on this here, but 2.5k is a really sweet spot. Nice little bit of crop room, built in sharpening when going to 1080, etc.
 
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Letzring said:
Right, no built-in ND. Check.

Realistically, this camera looks to be worth it when you consider its bundled with Resolve. On the other hand, there is nothing here that Panasonic couldn't do in a GH3 (if they had the will to do so) probably for less than $3k.

Hey Blackmagic (if you are reading), send me one I can test on bright sunlit snow for you.
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This is your third or fourth post here letting us know your position on the camera, noone responded to your other posts to warrant more of the same. As of right now, you aren't adding anything valuable to the conversation or asking any relevant questions. This is how perfectly fine threads like these go south.

You've said your piece, either you're interested and you're asking questions, trying to figure out the camera (even in speculation phase) or you're not and you're moving on?
 
I can't keep up with the barrage of posts. Has it been established yet whether or not "ZF" was a typo for "ZE" or possibly even (fingers crossed) for "F"?
 
arroway said:
I can't keep up with the barrage of posts. Has it been established yet whether or not "ZF" was a typo for "ZE" or possibly even (fingers crossed) for "F"?
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It's supposed to be Nikon and Canon ready at shipping but maybe John can clarify for sure.

Also had two people mention a PL Mount coming.
 
Cosimo Bullo said:
Andrew speaks loudly, but his overall point is sound. Everything about digital cameras (except lenses) is subject to Moore's Law... and now that smaller companies are in the game, the price will start dropping faster.

Lord, it has been for years anyway. Go back and look at what the Sony f23 cost new a few years ago...

edit: also, not sure if others have elaborated on this here, but 2.5k is a really sweet spot. Nice little bit of crop room, built in sharpening when going to 1080, etc.
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Good for some subtle stabilization when delivering 1080, as well. Not a lot, but more than we're getting with most!

The other big advantage to me is having a run-n-gun green screen camera at all times. Pulling keys with this footage should be delightful.
 
mail4joeg said:
Is this the Scarlet I was promised 5 years ago???

They absolutely have my attention.
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If this camera is a big hit - as I suspect it will be, witness the popularity of this forum - perhaps RED and some other camera manufacturers will take a closer look at this market. Maybe a mini-Scarlet? Bring back that 3K for 3K!
 
ripupthehwy said:
I'll probably wait for a larger sensor camera. For a Raw 2k camera yes this is absolutely awesome. But for me, to shoot just for an HD finished product that I don't wanna spend alot of time C.C. I'd rather have the more filmic DOF look from a full frame. Perhaps BlackMagic will develop a larger sensor camera in the future. From looking at the footage available for this camera so far..it just doesn't look as filmic as something like the Nikon D800. IMHO
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The sensor is almost as close in size to the "filmic" super 35 sensor as the D800's sensor is, just in different directions. In my opinion the super shallow DOF of full frame looks just as different to super 35 as 16mm and m4/3 do, maybe even more so. Don't get me wrong, full frame DOF can look beautiful (I own a 5D), but I wouldn't say it looks like super 35 (if that's what we are using as the standard for filmic DOF).
 
Cosimo Bullo said:
Andrew speaks loudly, but his overall point is sound. Everything about digital cameras (except lenses) is subject to Moore's Law... and now that smaller companies are in the game, the price will start dropping faster.
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Yes

It is not quite the perfect camera for me... but the outlook for the future is decidedly more positive for today.
Tomorrow, there will be flavors of camera.. you will pick whichever combo of body, format, workflow, stats you prefer. You will go out, shoot stories. Technology irrelevant; a world for the passionate
 
As I said a while ago (March 2012 maybe?) Unless RED Cinema has a handful of patents to protect, they are now in trouble. This NAB is no "Gee see how far DSLR's have gone" anymore. This camera is what I call 'Leapfrog' technology. Preempting the incremental evolution, then trumping it! Now I have a week to spend searching patent aps to see who's cornering what :)
 
sunburst said:
Whats the workflow if I want to edit on PC in Sony Vegas, or Premiere?

anybody know? thanks.
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If Vegas or Premiere can work with ProRes or DNxHD, you're good if you want really fast turnaround.

Otherwise... shoot RAW and then use bundled DaVinci Resolve to make an awesome image in codec of your choice.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Cory Braun said:
The sensor is almost as close in size to the "filmic" super 35 sensor as the D800's sensor is, just in different directions. In my opinion the super shallow DOF of full frame looks just as different to super 35 as 16mm and m4/3 do, maybe even more so. Don't get me wrong, full frame DOF can look beautiful (I own a 5D), but I wouldn't say it looks like super 35 (if that's what we are using as the standard for filmic DOF).
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Good post! The high degree of bokeh from full-frame 35mm is cool but it's not 'natural' if by natural we mean what the eye does in terms of bokeh. Super 35 and I guess 4/3 are much closer to what the eye sees. But the super bokeh of full frame is more helpful to the brain that's viewing a screen.
 
I know this is all about max resolution, sensor size and DR right now but am I the only one excited about having a freakin' SSD/Thunderbolt camera? How awesome is that?! :D I'm so glad I got a Tokina 11-16mm for 400$ a month ago!
 
Zephyrnoid said:
As I said a while ago (March 2012 maybe?) Unless RED Cinema has a handful of patents to protect, they are now in trouble. This NAB is no "Gee see how far DSLR's have gone" anymore. This camera is what I call 'Leapfrog' technology. Preempting the incremental evolution, then trumping it! Now I have a week to spend searching patent aps to see who's cornering what :)
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Wow, the "it's better for you to cannibalize your own sales, then have someone else do it" maxim runs true. Red? Canon? You guys hearing this????? Probably not.. oh well...
 
For those who don't think you can get a successful, "filmic" look with this camera's sensor size, remember that The Hurt Locker, which won the Academy Award for Best Picture and was nominated for Best Cinematography, was shot on a smaller Super-16mm format.
Black Swan, also shot on S16, was also nominated for Best Cinematography.

Full frame ain't the be-all, end-all. This sensor should be fine.
 
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