Best time to use Photozoom Pro with Vegas?

Norm Sanders

Norm Sanders

Script Wrangler
For our short, we want to export out to TIFF's then, import into Photozoom Pro & blow it all up to HD, or near it. THEN import it all back into Vegas for editing ... or vice versa.

Question is, is it better to take our FINAL and render uprez that (will all FX, etc.) through Photozoom Pro, or is it better to take the raw footage & uprez it, then bring the uprezzed footage into Vegas, and edit it there in it's native large size? Then, for DVD, we'd render it out to the smaller SD size.

I guess to sum it up, will the FX look better if they're uprezzed after the fact as well, or if we put the FX on already uprezzed footage, working in a HD aspect size project?

I'm not even sure if I understand what I'm asking myself, now that I've said it all.
 
well, I tried this according to disjecta's tutorial.
I don't think he specified, but I think you're supposed to edit, and then export the frames of the edit to be uprezzed. if you uprezzed every single avi clip, it would take like sooo much longer!
 
Barry_Green said:
If you're mastering out to DVD, why up-rez it?
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Because we're thinking big ... we want to have a High res master on hand, should we ever want to output to film. Also, if you're starting with a higher res image, that's downconverted to DVD, won't you still notice an improvement ... same way Disjecta's images look so great on web, because he downconverted from a higher res. image?

tjohara99, you're right, we'd at the very least want to uprez only the edited AVI's, not all of them. But, do you folks think it would be better to uprez the effects AFTER they're placed in, or add the effects while working on a larger canvas/aspect ratio? Would it matter?
 
man, maybe just pm the master (Disjecta) himself?
i'm still waiting for a reply from him, he probably gets like 100 pm's a day and his box is full.:grin:
 
Envision said:
Also, if you're starting with a higher res image, that's downconverted to DVD, won't you still notice an improvement ... same way Disjecta's images look so great on web, because he downconverted from a higher res. image?
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But you're not starting with a high-res image -- you're starting with DV. Then, you're upconverting it, and then going back to DV. If you're color correcting, tweaking, etc, somewhere in between, you'll end up with an image that looks different, and possibly better because you've corrected things which were there to begin with, but it won't be any higher-resolution than it was originally.


But, do you folks think it would be better to uprez the effects AFTER they're placed in, or add the effects while working on a larger canvas/aspect ratio? Would it matter?
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If you're going to be working in the upconverted environment (which could make sense if you want a hi-res master for future purposes), it's better to do the effects there.
 
David Jimerson said:
If you're going to be working in the upconverted environment (which could make sense if you want a hi-res master for future purposes), it's better to do the effects there.
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Exactly.

Uprezzing to downrez will gain you nothing. Uprezzing and staying there, well, yeah, there's a point to that. But as David said, you'd definitely want to do all your effects work on the uprezzed footage so your effects are done at the high-res resolution.
 
Thanks, at least that FX placement is clear ... appreciate it.

I don't quite understand, though, why Disjecta blows his up, when it's just going to be resized back down for the web ... and why do his images supposedly look better by going through this process? Am I missing something?
 
Without seeing his original footage, I'm not sure that it does.

Well, I'm sure it looks "better" because he will have color-corrected, color-enhanced, sweetened contrast, etc..

But higher-res? Doubtful. The guy just takes fantastic shots.
 
Unless I totally misread the whole thing, he's not uprezzing for HD, he's taking 4:3 footage, then uprezzing just enough to allow a 16:9 crop without losing too much image.
 
Well, that makes some sense, because you're still within 720x480. It's when you uprez PAST that and then downrez back that it makes little sense.
 
The Uprezzing he used was to jus make a letterboxed 16:9 without losing much quality and space in the video

everytime you crop something..the image gets larger and blurry..which then makes the pixels stand out more. Photozoom sharpens the image slightly so you can then crop the image without losing quality. Then later add on some CC if you need to.

There's a short video on his website that shows the before and after use of Photozoom. You'll notice the contrast is darker, image looks sharper, and image is cropped to letterboxed 16:9. Which all sums up to giving it more a filmic look.

But uprezzing to HD...hm.....thats a new one on me.
 
Well, I've zoomed up some of mine to 1080 (well, 1308, actually...square pixels, and all...) and it didn't look completely terrible. But just doing the smae within Vegas....I didn't see any difference in quality.

Of course, my eyes are 48 years old, and I don't have any HD viewing apparati, anyway. :)
 
Well, since we're shooting 4:3, the process should at least make for a cleaner/better looking 16:9 file then for web/DVD, etc. But, it'll also give us a high res master should we ever want to output to film ... I'm dreaming some, but wanting to think ahead & be prepared as well, just incase.
 
GenJerDan said:
Well, I've zoomed up some of mine to 1080 (well, 1308, actually...square pixels, and all...) and it didn't look completely terrible. But just doing the smae within Vegas....I didn't see any difference in quality.

Of course, my eyes are 48 years old, and I don't have any HD viewing apparati, anyway. :)
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Well, yeah. For uprezzing only slightly, I highly doubt you'd get better results going outside of Vegas than you would by just doing it IN Vegas.
 
How would you uprez IN Vegas? Just change the project settings & render it back out to the slightly larger scale?
 
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