benefits of ALL-Intra and understanding 50p to 25p compression error

demoboy

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Maybe someone can break down my worry and my theory.

I have been working with 50P for about 4 years. My first good run with 50p was using it with a Nanoflash for the AG-AF100. I cannot recall the codec settings, but I know it was an 8-bit 422 workflow and maybe around 180mbs - 220mbs. I'm also trying to remember if it was all ALL-I within the MXF codec. For this particular project exporting to 25p was no problem and no artifacts. I also can't remember if it was a constant bit rate as well. Also I don't remember what my export settings were in Premiere 5.5 at the time. Recording fast action scenes were great and I did not notice any jitter problems from the final publish. I understand that there were no frame blends involved or that Premiere was only publishing frames A and not B?

Now I have been shooting 50p on AVCHD 2.0 and I do not like the motion after it has been rendered to 25p. Particularly with dolly shots, pans, and focusing on close objects about 2-3 feet away during the process. Is this because of the codec? I am wondering if 28mbs (probably VBR) is not good enough for a 50p to 25p publish.

check this video I shot for JVC Turkey. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dejt9UdeQuU Notice the weird motion effect on the first shot of flowers on the mini dolly. The motion is horrid. Is this because 50p VBR is unpredictable for A & B. Maybe A gets 12Mbs and then B gets 16Mbs?

I now have a GH4 arriving with some extras. I plan to shoot ALL-I 200M/50p. I ordered Sandisk's newest UHS-II for the GH4. What I'm understanding is that ALL-I frames are independent so that each frame gets a blessing of high quality? I plan to publish to 25p.

Thanks!
 
It depends on the details of the implementation of the codec. A good long-gop codec with 24 Mbps can give you what you want without any image issues. A bad all-I codec at 200 Mbps can break with this (and with much less).
And FWIW, I believe the C300 codec is good, and the GH4 codec isn't.

What I don't understand is why you shoot everything at 50p with plans to publish at 25p.
 
Hi Sammuel. I'm sorry I should've been more specific. Slow motion shots are planned for the GH4 and aerial. We will be using 4 inexpensive and light weight shoulder mounts cams. Unfortunately, the AG-AC8, JVC-GYHM70, and Sony's NEX-EA50 only offer 50p at FullHD 1920x1080. It is ridiculous that there's no 25p at FullHD. C300 is out of budget and the form factor is not ideal, however I do love its image. For real world style shooting I think it'd be too much.
 
Well, then you have what you have. It's not only a matter of "an all-I codec will work", but also "the codec in camera X will work".
 
Well, then you have what you have. It's not only a matter of "an all-I codec will work", but also "the codec in camera X will work".

So what are the benefits of ALL-Intra for post workflow and render accuracy? thnks
 
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