Be an artist that goes unnoticed

Zachadoodle

Zachadoodle

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My idea on being an artist is based on writers like Philip K. Dick and artists like Vincent Van Gogh, and to me I think maybe it'll help if we learn from them.

Essentially as filmmakers we constantly wish our films will make it and we'll be thrown out of our current situations, but it may never happen, but we did our work for the love of it and that was what counts. We did it because it made ourselves feel accomplished.

So go out there and make films and continue making them no matter what the circumstances.
 
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Refering to this and your other thread. I think you need to work out the baselines with your collaborators.

Im not saying what those baselines should be. Just be clear.

Many are making films as a living - a paid job to fund kids houses and all that. A very nice job.. but still a job
 
It's honestly one of the reasons why I'm not majoring in Education or dependent on being a substitute teacher. I am absolutely horrible at teaching and giving advice. I try to lecture going deep on a subject, but I still struggle despite how much effort I put into it.

Like in my head I could be writing a detailed essay and it makes sense to me and still does months later, but for some strange reason I don't know why or how people are confused everytime I communicate in such a detailed fashion. Instead of answering questions, I somehow just give more questions?
 
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That’s going to affect any job you take including a director. A therapist might be helpful to find ways to mitigate your behavior. I have a friend with a similar issue I’ll be making polite conversation ask what’s he up to. He will proceed for over a hour detailing everything. People don’t like it when you monopolize a conversation and talk nonstop. Start with a short pleasantries, let them respond and get to the point and if they need more info they will ask for.
 
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On the teaching/giving advice point, it's not easy.

I've watched hundreds of thousands of videos on YouTube on all different topics and some people are really good at presenting information and making sense of things that aren't always easy to understand.

And the smartest ones aren't always the best communicators.

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What about less is more? Because if you teach/etc. like how you write here then no one's going to listen to that.

Figure out how to compress a lot of information into a basic structure. You did good in this thread; shorter/simpler compared to some of the drawn-out essays in the others.

People already have extremely reduced attention spans and don't need reading or listening to someone to turn into work.

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Also, if you ever have a chance to have an internship in New York or Los Angeles, maybe consider it. These places are different than a lot of cities and getting that experience could be beneficial for the kind of career you're interested in.

[Of course they are not the only places to make movies but it's about the people and communication skills...and these two have quite the characters.]
 
I'll try to improve my social skills in the time being. I will try to be more coheisve and concrete. Although there are some things in this world you simply can't just say a few words with and expect everyone to be on board with it.
 
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I'll try to improve my social skills in the time being. I will try to be more coheisve and concrete. Although there are some things in this world you simply can't just say a few words with and expect everyone to be on board with it.
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The important part is not do an info dump. A convo could go like this:

You: Joe can you do lighting on this date?
Joe: yes
You: Do you have time to talk details?
Joe: Actually I'm in the middle of something.
You: How about I email you what I had in mind and if you have any questions let me know.
Joe: Sound good.

That's a 20 second conversation that's to the point.
 
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I'll try to improve my social skills in the time being. I will try to be more coheisve and concrete. Although there are some things in this world you simply can't just say a few words with and expect everyone to be on board with it.
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That in a nutshell is the challenge of working within a team, especially in the film industry. In prep you have time to work through the whys and what-ifs in detail with your collaborators, same for rehearsals with the actors. By the time you get to the shoot day, it should be down to a solid game plan and concise, decisive notes. If you are able to schedule a more leisurely shoot than is typical of most low budget projects, you can take more time. But, more words don't necessarily result in more clarity.
 
Your ability to keep raising the same issues over and over again, year after year, while totally ignoring the expert advice that has been offered in the kindest possible way by a wide variety of people, is amazing.
 
My advice is to take your camera and go shoot something. Anything. And then come back and put together a short video. Actually DOING something isntead of talking about it will do you a world of good. I think you are kind of like a writer looking at a blank sheet of paper in the typewriter.

Shooting for stock footage is also a great way to get you motivated and have a reason to shoot, grade, and edit something super simple with no pressure. And you might make some money from it. which then can be rolled back into better equipment or a budget for another project. But you have to DO something to get the ball rolling.
 
Give me a moment I'm going to try to re-edit a few things. It appears I just threw the words out there without proofreading them. Adminstrators here, please don't think ill of the meaning. It means something else okay.
 
You remind me of Ryan who posted hundreds of similar threads over a decade, postulating ideas and scenarios about how to make an indie film with no money.

Doug is right it's better to do something. Shoot stock, work at your local public tv station, produce ads for local businesses... The smaller the better because it will involve you, no other people, no budget, no excuses, just you. If you can't cut it then making your own movie isn't going to be any easier.
 
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Doing is the secret, Vincent Van Gogh painted and drew approx 2100 pieces of art, writers do the same, they have a routine of writing every day for a period. Philip K. Dick didn't sit around either, he wrote 44 novels. His work was published in his lifetime, although mostly in the sci-fi genre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Dick_bibliography

There are many outlets today, many of which are ideal for short films that you can shoot and edit in a day or two or add production value by investing your personal time by filming the usual in an unusual way. Working in the areas that Paul mentioned may allow you to make the contacts you might need for an indie movie.
 
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Doing is the secret, Vincent Van Gogh painted and drew approx 2100 pieces of art, writers do the same, they have a routine of writing every day for a period. Philip K. Dick didn't sit around either, he wrote 44 novels. His work was published in his lifetime, although mostly in the sci-fi genre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip...k_bibliography

There are many outlets today, many of which are ideal for short films that you can shoot and edit in a day or two or add production value by investing your personal time by filming the usual in an unusual way. Working in the areas that Paul mentioned may allow you to make the contacts you might need for an indie movie.
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I've made about 57 videos before and a lot of rant videos. I started making videos when I was 12 years old. The thing is most of them were very low quality and the humor I tried to evoke or meaning I tried to evoke ends up being clouded by my unsettling appearance and behavior.

People may say that my current videos are awful, but my past videos were much much more awful and in fact headscratchingly confusing and unsettling. If I was more of an agreeable person and things were a little bit different considering who I am, I would have pursued filmmaking more often, but I'm just simply not mentally stable enough to fit in for that. Right now I'm on a filmmaker's block to focus on my studies.

The struggle with my videos is just simply put not everyone can do Invader Zim style humor. Especially when the humor that is best for you is like a motivational speech type of humor and we believe in ourselves type of humor, and to that I say what about real humor? Then when something cheesy happens in the background or how you mess up your lines people finally laugh at you but not on your whim.

Irregardless of how much money or equipment I have this political environment the world is in is making it harder and harder for someone like me to be a filmmaker. If I tell people to go to a location to make a film, people think something sketchy will happen.

I just wish I could do the things other people are doing with this filmmaking thing.

Despite all of what I'm facing now though I do take photographs every now and then:

Zack194 (Images, Posts, & Favorites) - Imgur
 
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This seems less about knowledge/skills and more about your mental health. Even if it's not your fault if you have difficulty controlling yourself, acting appropriately and make sound decisions, it's going to be difficult working with others, no less being a director in charge of others. Therapist might be the best thing you can do for yourself to help you navigate forward. Making inappropriate jokes that only you get is a quick way to put people off.
 
What you may find useful is taking acting classes. Local colleges may run evening or part-time courses, it's also useful if you're planning to direct dramas.
 
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