Audio Equip list for HVX feature

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Alyosha33

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Hey Guys,

I asked about the mixer earlier, but I thought I'd show you guys the sound equipment that we were planning on aquiring for the shoot. Please comment on what would work or where I could do better by selecting a different product for similar money. Also did I ignorantly leave something off the list (aside from cables and such) that I should have included?

Sennheiser MKH-416T - (12v A-B) Super-Cardioid Short Shotgun Condenser Interference Tube Microphone

Gitzo G-557 Sport 4-Section Aluminum Boompole

Audio-Technica AT8415 Shockmount with K-Tek K-SUS
Deluxe 4 Point Polymer Suspension Mounts

Lightwave EQ-107 Equalizer Windscreen

Sony PCM-M1 Portable DAT Walkman Field Recorder

Sennheiser Evolution G2 300 Series - UHF Lavalier Wireless System with EM300G2 Receiver SK300G2 BodyPack Transmitter and ME2 Microphone x 3

Wendt X4 4-Channel Portable ENG/EFP Field Mixer


Any thoughts you guys have are greatly appreciated!
 
Doesn't sound like a bad list...but here's a few other notes:

Your 416 is T powered, which means you need a converter if you're going to run it directly into the camera. I'm not sure if the Wendt does T powered or just P48. You can get a converter from PSC.

Great move to add the K-Tek suspenders to the 8415. I use that for all my indoor work and it is a great combo. But, I when I put my 416 into it, it was a bit looser than I would like. I'm not sure if the suspenders come in different sizes or not.

On the G2's, you will almost definately want to change out the mics. The stock mics are weak at best. Look for another thread here with a comparison I did of the ME2, Countryman B6 and Countryman EMW lav's. If it is in your budget, I recommend the B6's. These are still my favorite mics of all the mics I own.

I know Oleg thinks highly of the Wendt...I haven't used it.

Another thing to think about is cases. I use Vanguard cases for my most valuable stuff...wireless, mics, mixer, etc. Not as good as Pelican, but about 75% cheaper.

Also, XLR cables. Canare and Neutrix connectors are highly thought of (my favorites).Get several lengths. I think Matt is making cables now...maybe he can give you a good price.

Headphones are missing, too. Sony 7506 is the industry standard, but like microphones, there is a wide variety of opinions.

If you're going to do ENG style work, you will need a bag, such as Porta-brace, Petrol and such. Matt has posted a great thread on his bag and how it is setup. Highly recommended reading.

Cart or something if you're doing sit and mix. I use an Eddy Bauer camping table, which folds up like those camping chairs. It works very well, but I'm now looking to put together a low cost cart -- I'll post more on this once I get it done.

That's all I can think of right now...I'm sure others will chime in.

Phil
 
You may want to consider one of the solid-state recorders instead of the DAT... the workflow may be a LOT easier! But talk to the sound folks you'll be working with.
 
ptalsky, Thanks for the input, esp. in regards to the lavs.

ullanta, do you have any recommendations as far as the solid-state recorders go?
 
ptalsky said:
Doesn't sound like a bad list...but here's a few other notes:

Your 416 is T powered, which means you need a converter if you're going to run it directly into the camera. I'm not sure if the Wendt does T powered or just P48. You can get a converter from PSC.

Great move to add the K-Tek suspenders to the 8415. I use that for all my indoor work and it is a great combo. But, I when I put my 416 into it, it was a bit looser than I would like. I'm not sure if the suspenders come in different sizes or not.

On the G2's, you will almost definately want to change out the mics. The stock mics are weak at best. Look for another thread here with a comparison I did of the ME2, Countryman B6 and Countryman EMW lav's. If it is in your budget, I recommend the B6's. These are still my favorite mics of all the mics I own.

I know Oleg thinks highly of the Wendt...I haven't used it.

Another thing to think about is cases. I use Vanguard cases for my most valuable stuff...wireless, mics, mixer, etc. Not as good as Pelican, but about 75% cheaper.

Also, XLR cables. Canare and Neutrix connectors are highly thought of (my favorites).Get several lengths. I think Matt is making cables now...maybe he can give you a good price.

Headphones are missing, too. Sony 7506 is the industry standard, but like microphones, there is a wide variety of opinions.

If you're going to do ENG style work, you will need a bag, such as Porta-brace, Petrol and such. Matt has posted a great thread on his bag and how it is setup. Highly recommended reading.

Cart or something if you're doing sit and mix. I use an Eddy Bauer camping table, which folds up like those camping chairs. It works very well, but I'm now looking to put together a low cost cart -- I'll post more on this once I get it done.

That's all I can think of right now...I'm sure others will chime in.

Phil
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the wendt and AD and SD (exsept the mix pre ) all have t( 12 a-b) power dyrectly.
he spoke about 300 , its ifb series , the 100 or 500( wais of money) is what you looking for
as phil said , you will need to change the lavaliers - unfortuanly it will cost you another 600 at least - 900 will bring you much better ( sanken , dpas o countryman b-6( not the best sound but the most flexible for working))
i like wendt since for the money you get more reliability then any other product in that range ,
for someone who work with g-2 wierless i can really say that is waist of money to go to better mixer ( eng style), i sudgested used one since the new is about 1700.
about separete recording .
you can hook almoxt every recorder for that job if you use external premas ( mixer) , the sony dat will give you what you need with line inputs , if its for free - no problem , if you have to buy or rent it -dont do it
you can hook cf based recorder for cheap for separate recording .
the small ones usially are wery limited with their inputs , so you will neeed properly set down the your mixer outputs .
there is anew one from edirol ( 9 something:-)) that looks like something you wont or you can go with m-audi microtracker .
for double sum the tascam have grate recorder .
all of them dont have tc so you will need run slates on every take .
 
Alyosha33 said:
ullanta, do you have any recommendations as far as the solid-state recorders go?
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No, I've never used one (I use a ProTools rig because of the nature of most of my work). But dealing with DATs is a pain, you have to capture in realtime through some sort of digital audio interface, and can have occasional tape problems - and tapes are pricey. A compact flash card can be used with a $5 reader in any computer. There's been a lot of discussion of various recorders here, at all price ranges... certainly for the cost of the DATman you can get something nice!
 
the g2 transmitters are largely regarded as the best value for money transmitter/receiver package round here.

basically, everyone will tell you this:

g2 - incredible for what it costs, amazing ease of use (auto tuning, nice display), only SLIGHT downside is that its not diversity - but that isnt as big a deal as people make it out to be anyway.

lectrosonics 1/2hundreds series - will have a noticably better sound, but cost alot more than how MUCH better they sound. they're made well, but ease of use, is, well, not very easy (due to microdials to tune the system instead of display, basically they're more technical to use). Most people will recommend second hand units in this price point because they are very hardy.

lectrsonics 401 digital hybrid and all the way up to zaxcoms and other crazy good stuff - the best. mix the best sound you can get with better ease of use because of displays etc. but way pricey.

SO - yes, G2 is a great choice. it might be the LOWEST you should go, but its still damn amazing for its price. naturally, the quality you need all depends on the brief and the budget.
 
Alyosha,

Tim answered the question the same way I would. Thank you Tim! ;-)

As far as recorders go, there are several lower cost options that are good. I started with a PMD 670 from Marantz. Apparently a little noisy if you use mic in, I found it to be more than acceptable using line-in. But, this is no longer my primary recorder (and I need to get my act together and put it up on ebay).

I now use the Tascam HD-P2. It is similar to the PMD670 with a few major differences:

1. Timecode-the HD-P2 reads timecode from outside sources (can be jammed)
2. Higher recording rates
3. Better media handling
4. Better pre-amps (as far as I can tell)
5. Better screen and monitoring details
6. Firmware updates can be done by me, rather than the factory

The Tascam runs about $300 more than the Marantz, but I think the value is there. Of course, once you get into the timecode world, you then want to start thinking about a TC slate, which runs about $1200 new...Yes this is a huge vicious circle that never ends...you buy one thing, you need a better thing to go with it. Welcome to the world of production sound. ;-)

Phil
 
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