AtomOS Shogun 7

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Greg_E

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Did anyone see this? https://www.atomos.com/shogun7

The multiple 1080 inputs with live async. switching is really very interesting, but not sure I have a need beyond curiosity. I can of course invent use cases for work, but no money to toy with things right now.

Also wondering if it will reduce prices of Flame and Inferno more than the current rebates, I could really use a monitor that I can calibrate, even if it is only a 7 inch monitor. I do have a couple use cases for this and thinking a lot for weeks about one of the older Flame of Inferno recorders (need SDI and HDMI so it needs to be Shogun family)

Just noticed that they claim 105% of P3 colorspace, as well as REC709 presets.
 
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The Shogun Inferno is currently available for $999 ($300 off) and the Shogun Flame is available for $795 ($200 off). That puts the Shogun Inferno at $500 below the new Shogun 7. So if you don't need the new live switching or multi-camera HD recording, the Shogun Inferno would still be a decent option as the feature set for 4K/Ultra HD recording seems about the same as the new Shogun 7 otherwise.

Not sure that they will lower the prices much beyond that, since they already have their 5" monitors (Ninja V at $695 and Shinobi) as lower priced options.

Not to mention that there doesn't seem to be a lot of competition in the monitor/recorder space that would put a lot of pressure on prices. Both Convergent Design and Video Devices/Sound Devices have gone several years since releasing new monitor recorders. Sound Devices has retired the Video Devices name, which suggests they don't have much commitment to this market segment. And Convergent Design hasn't released a firmware update in more than a year for the Odyssey 7Q and the hardware itself is several years old.

Perhaps Blackmagic will release an updated Video Assist 12G with 4K60 support.
 
I'm pretty happy with my Shogun Inferno but this new model does have some cool features that are tempting. The multi-cam recording could be handy but I'm more interest in the upgraded the display. Atomos says my Inferno has 10.5 stops of dynamic range while they claims the Shogun 7 has 15+ stops of real dynamic range with a 1,000,000 to 1 contrast ratio and while covering 105% of DCI-P3. I'm starting to get a little jealous, but I'll reserver judgement until I see it in person.

I'm also intrigued by the Dolbyvision support that's also available in the Ninja V. I'll have to wait until someone who knows a lot more about color than I do to test it out, but it sounds like it might be useful.

I think it's crazy that their products cost as little as they do! You might expect to pay more than $1500 for a 15+ stop monitor with these features so the addition of recording makes me think their pricing model is way off.

If BMD updates the Video Assist to use SDDs it would be a better offering. One issue I have with their offering is I doubt they will support ProRes RAW since they seem to be fighting to Blackmagic RAW a standard. I wish them the best but as a FCPX user I have no interest in Blackmagic RAW at this point. Of course if you are Resolve user you will likely have a different opinion.
 
The monitor is making me look for pre-release discounts, would be nice to have the P3 gamut. The 4x 1080 switcher would be neat once in a while. One thing I want is a display for portable color grading and spitting out the timeline to a recording for quicker than rendering would be nice.
 
I'm not sure how much that 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio spec actually tells you about the screen. There are lots of TVs and monitors that claim similar figures, but seem to vary in terms of black levels and actual contrast. I get the impression that there isn't much in terms of rigorous standards that screen manufacturers must adhere to when reporting these figures.

Given that the Shogun 7's maximum brightness is still 1500 nits (same as the Shogun Inferno), this suggests that most of the dynamic range improvement came from lowering the minimum brightness of the display, likely below 0.05 nits which would put the display within the UHD Premium specifications (0.05 nits minimum, >1000 nits maximum brightness, >90% DCI-P3 color). That's probably a good thing since those are the same standards that many TVs will conform to.
 
Looks like a scaled up Ninja V, and that's a great thing. The Ninja V is the first of the Atomos units where I feel like they've struck the right balance of build-quality and user interface.

And 1500 nits is genuinely usable outdoors.
 
360 zone full array local dimming on a 7inch display, that's a first on a panel at this size. Also the most dense FALD as well, probably powered by mini-LED tech.
 
davedv said:
Given that the Shogun 7's maximum brightness is still 1500 nits (same as the Shogun Inferno), this suggests that most of the dynamic range improvement came from lowering the minimum brightness of the display, likely below 0.05 nits which would put the display within the UHD Premium specifications (0.05 nits minimum, >1000 nits maximum brightness, >90% DCI-P3 color). That's probably a good thing since those are the same standards that many TVs will conform to.
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They are claiming 105% DCI-P3.

I'm asking myself how much will that give me for the extra $500 (current rebate on Inferno) or $700 (current rebate on Flame). It also makes one ask, how black is black in a normal portable monitor viewing situation. Maybe with their all enclosed hood outside, maybe. Inside it should be really nice though.

Also wondering if they will give the Inferno the ability to switch and record HD signals, I have a feeling that it is capable of this task. It would be neat once in a while to be able to have a very small multi camera rig connected to a stream encoder and small audio mixer.
 
I think 1500 nits combined with 320 zone FALD will make the blacks pretty black since very few 65inch LED TVs can match those specs. Seeing will be believing, but I suspect this display will be dramatically better than the one in my Inferno.

I love my 65inch LG OLED but that technology just isn't well suited for use outside, and if these specs map to functionality I would likely prefer the Shogun 7 to an OLED monitor. Adding the support of 105% DCI-P3 could make this a great review monitor. It's been a while since NAB had so many cool new products!
 
Greg_E said:
One thing I want is a display for portable color grading and spitting out the timeline to a recording for quicker than rendering would be nice.
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That assumes your NLE/Grading software can spit out in realtime with zero dropped frames, all your grading effects.
 
Tom Roper said:
That assumes your NLE/Grading software can spit out in realtime with zero dropped frames, all your grading effects.
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In both FCPX and Resolve the new 8-core iMac can play Canon CRL real time with a LUT at 60FPS, so I think at 24FPS both should have plenty of headroom. I would expect both NLE's to do better with their respective native RAW formats, ProRes RAW and Blackmagic RAW. The benchmarks I have seen show FCPX getting about twice the performance with ProRes RAW vs it's performance with CRL, but those were released before the new iMac.

For more extensive grades I'd likely use FCPX's background renderer to enable real time playback since it can output a ProRes file in real time after the wait for the initial background render.

The video below is cued to FXPX/Resolve CRL test.


 
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