Apple WWDC 2012 Live Blog via Engadget

dustylense said:
Some of you don't get it. TB goes into the bus system like on the mbp and iMacs. That new laptop is way better than the macpro listed on the website. It will out perform it night and day.
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I think they get it just fine. An updated MacPro with new Xeon E5's and TB and such all added and such updated would crush the laptop. The only reason the laptop with TB would out perform the desktop is because the desktop is behind on current specs. That's coming from a guy who's thinking about getting the new laptop and selling my old MP and 2011 MBP. It's tempting to be sure, but I want to see benchmarks because my 8-core 2.93Ghz with 26GB RAM, etc. is a beast and pretty hard to beat.
 
dustylense said:
Some of you don't get it. TB goes into the bus system like on the mbp and iMacs. That new laptop is way better than the macpro listed on the website. It will out perform it night and day.
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The Mac Pro has a 16x PCIe connection. Thunderbolt is 4x PCIe. No comparison.
 
So how much faster is the fastest 15" macbook pro compared to the old fastest 17" in MBP?
 
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Postmaster said:
Can't see, how a i7 would outperform one or two new Xeons and a lot of RAM.
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First, how fast is the ram. Second, how much ram do you really need? It s about the speed of ram, not amount. It's about the pipeline of processor, hyper threading, not how many. It's about the graphic cards and the externals ( thunderbolt ). I have the 8 core with 24 gigs ram and my i7 mbp 17 with 16 gigs ram using thunderbolt is faster for 90% of what I do (after effects likes the tower).
 
dustylense said:
It s about the speed of ram, not amount.
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It is more about the amount now than the speed. RAM is pretty instantaneous. The amount is important because if you run out, then your memory is supplemented by a page file on your hard disk, which is much, much slower. So, yes, amount does have a pretty significant effect.
 
dustylense said:
First, how fast is the ram. Second, how much ram do you really need? It s about the speed of ram, not amount. It's about the pipeline of processor, hyper threading, not how many. It's about the graphic cards and the externals ( thunderbolt ). I have the 8 core with 24 gigs ram and my i7 mbp 17 with 16 gigs ram using thunderbolt is faster for 90% of what I do (after effects likes the tower).
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1. RAM speed doesn´t make such a difference as the amount - look at the results of the Premiere Benchmark
2. You never have enough RAM. I can easily max out my 24 GB.
3. Talking about graphic cards. A mobile grapic is always slower than a workstation card of the same sort. Let alone two cards in a workstation (for Resolve for example).
4. Thunderbolt is overrated - most data rates, with their high compressions like AVCHD or ProRes are a joke - even for single HDDs with SATA - so there is not much gain.
For external RAIDS USB3 gives me about 220 MB/sec. - more than enough, even for uncompressed HD or 5k RED. Also TB is actually only 4 x PCIe.

Frank
 
mcgeedigital said:
I'm sure they will use the lack of sales for this line of towers to kill it outright.
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Probably trying to phase out left over stock (hence the price "discount") and once they reach a certain amount of sales of a specific period of time, the Mac Pro will quietly disappear from the Apple Store website.

I would be very interested to hear if these physical Apple Stores get back their stock of Mac Pros that were recalled. I would be very surprised if they do.
 
From the Apple site, it's interesting and different (possibly noteworthy?) that all the Mac Pro processors are strictly "Xeon", no more Nehalem or Westmere nomenclature...
 
Hello HP! Their latest workstation models are using the new Ivy Bridge Xeons. Include 3 year onsite support. Not inexpensive though. Their Z620 is roughly equivalent to the MP tower dual processor in terms of expansion. Also have PCIe version 3 16x expansion slots. The Z820 is a total beast if you can afford it.
The Z workstations are AVID certified if that matters to you.

I think Apple is just trying to stave off the same kind of negative reaction they got when the cancelled FCP 7 instead of giving it an end of life timeline.
 
zeke said:
I think Apple is just trying to stave off the same kind of negative reaction they got when the cancelled FCP 7 instead of giving it an end of life timeline.
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Let's play a game. You are Tim Cook:

A. You already EOL'd the Mac Pro. What do you tell the public today?

B. You will EOL the Mac Pro but have not yet done so. What do you tell the public today?

C. You might EOL the Mac Pro but have not yet decided. What do you tell the public today?

Answer all three questions.
 
Dave © said:
Let's play a game. You are Tim Cook:

A. You already EOL'd the Mac Pro. What do you tell the public today?

B. You will EOL the Mac Pro but have not yet done so. What do you tell the public today?

C. You might EOL the Mac Pro but have not yet decided. What do you tell the public today?

Answer all three questions.
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I'm not Tim Cook, I couldn't possibly care less about Mac Pros or anything Apple, so I'm having a bit of fun.
Mac users are a sensitive lot.
 
It's not about being sensitive. It's about perspective.

Apple is a for-profit, publicly traded company. How would you respond to the market if you ran the company?

I'm not singling you out. My question is for anyone who'd like to play along.
 
Dave © said:
It's not about being sensitive. It's about perspective.

Apple is a for-profit, publicly traded company. How would you respond to the market if you ran the company?

I'm not singling you out. My question is for anyone who'd like to play along.
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I know, I'm not taking it personal.
They are a publicly held company and very secretive but....
HP, Dell and others have been working with Intel over the last year to get their new machines out, basically chomping at the bit.
Apple? Meh, we'll get to it sometime next year. That doesn't sound to commited, but then again who knows what battles are being
waged inside Apple itself. People also need to remember, at the workstation level, 3 year releae cycles are not unheard of.
What was the previous release cycle before the current crop of Mac Pros, I think it was longer than 2 years, but may be wrong.
 
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