anyone know the spec's for cable tv productions?
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BLUESPIDER
DVXuser Ninja
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
is there a rule? matthew do what ever you want! well, first of all what kind of tv program is this?
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
is there a rule? matthew do what ever you want! well, first of all what kind of tv program is this?
bodaphoto
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Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
4:3 standard NTSC is fine. I wouldn't really shoot anything in 16:9, because most people don't have the widescreen TV, especially ones who watch the Public Access Channel.
I have friend who works at one of these, and he tried to get me to work there. I have been in there quite a bit, they are using the GL2 and I told him it was against my religion to use GL2s or anything video that canon makes.
Oh, If you do any graphics or stills for the show bring it into Photoshop and do the Following: Go to File: New: Preset: Choose NTSC DV 720 x 480 with guides.
This will give you guides that give you a TV safe area. If you go outside the guides, more than likely it will not be on the TV. I see this mistake so much on our PAC channel, along wiht distorted images.
Check with the station also and ask how they prefer to receive the program. Ours accepts mini-dv. Some accept VHS, which as we all know is a pain in the ARSE.
I hope this helps.
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
4:3 standard NTSC is fine. I wouldn't really shoot anything in 16:9, because most people don't have the widescreen TV, especially ones who watch the Public Access Channel.
I have friend who works at one of these, and he tried to get me to work there. I have been in there quite a bit, they are using the GL2 and I told him it was against my religion to use GL2s or anything video that canon makes.
Oh, If you do any graphics or stills for the show bring it into Photoshop and do the Following: Go to File: New: Preset: Choose NTSC DV 720 x 480 with guides.
This will give you guides that give you a TV safe area. If you go outside the guides, more than likely it will not be on the TV. I see this mistake so much on our PAC channel, along wiht distorted images.
Check with the station also and ask how they prefer to receive the program. Ours accepts mini-dv. Some accept VHS, which as we all know is a pain in the ARSE.
I hope this helps.
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
i can't find it but there was a thread either here or on dvinfo.net/conf about standards you had to meet for the signal, otherwise the station would reject the show.
the people i'm going to work with said something like "who cares, let the post production people handle it"
i don't want hours and hours spent shooting something and have the slightest chance it isn't right.
even if the problem can be fixed in post why not spend a little bit of time NOW to fix it, and what happens if the problem is so bad that all that work is wasted, i guess its just my nature to cross all my i'd and dot all my t's
matthew
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
i can't find it but there was a thread either here or on dvinfo.net/conf about standards you had to meet for the signal, otherwise the station would reject the show.
the people i'm going to work with said something like "who cares, let the post production people handle it"
i don't want hours and hours spent shooting something and have the slightest chance it isn't right.
even if the problem can be fixed in post why not spend a little bit of time NOW to fix it, and what happens if the problem is so bad that all that work is wasted, i guess its just my nature to cross all my i'd and dot all my t's
matthew
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
ok thanks that is a start.
i have adobe photoshop cs so i should be ok on any graphics i make.
i'm just trying to save someone else any potential problems down the road.
i'll probably try to email the cable company but i don't know if there is anyone there reachable by email...
matthew
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
ok thanks that is a start.
i have adobe photoshop cs so i should be ok on any graphics i make.
i'm just trying to save someone else any potential problems down the road.
i'll probably try to email the cable company but i don't know if there is anyone there reachable by email...
matthew
BLUESPIDER
DVXuser Ninja
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
skrew that! I shoot everything that I air 16x9, cropped of course and 24p mode. The local station here at my place loves it. They finally get something that looks cool, not saying my projects are cool, just the 24p look. I used to do stuff for NBC and only a few hand full of people(executives) don't that like "filmlook". It all really depends on what it is that your doing. I never had to follow a standard. PBS aired on of my docs in widescreen, cropped agian and I never followed and guides. They aired it and no one complained. The stations that ask for these specifics are just ghetto.
edit: sorry Muir Boda if I broke the rules.
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
skrew that! I shoot everything that I air 16x9, cropped of course and 24p mode. The local station here at my place loves it. They finally get something that looks cool, not saying my projects are cool, just the 24p look. I used to do stuff for NBC and only a few hand full of people(executives) don't that like "filmlook". It all really depends on what it is that your doing. I never had to follow a standard. PBS aired on of my docs in widescreen, cropped agian and I never followed and guides. They aired it and no one complained. The stations that ask for these specifics are just ghetto.
edit: sorry Muir Boda if I broke the rules.
bodaphoto
Well-known member
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
That's OK Spider. The Public Access Channel doesn't really have any post-production people, here. Anybody can make anything and Technically they have to air. My friend explained it to me that they are not allowed to preview the programs unless the creator says they can, so if someone slips in a porn movie....uh-oh.
They teach you how to do the stuff and you shoot and edit. The other thing he said was there can be no advertisement or copyrighted music that you do not have permission to use. However they are big on Local Artists and singers because they play their music, just they can't play Shania Twain or Aerosmith.
Our public access is run by the local college and funded by the City, County, and State. The local cable channel has another channel that they run, I don't know the rules on that but I think it is paid programming because they promote local businesses.
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
That's OK Spider. The Public Access Channel doesn't really have any post-production people, here. Anybody can make anything and Technically they have to air. My friend explained it to me that they are not allowed to preview the programs unless the creator says they can, so if someone slips in a porn movie....uh-oh.
They teach you how to do the stuff and you shoot and edit. The other thing he said was there can be no advertisement or copyrighted music that you do not have permission to use. However they are big on Local Artists and singers because they play their music, just they can't play Shania Twain or Aerosmith.
Our public access is run by the local college and funded by the City, County, and State. The local cable channel has another channel that they run, I don't know the rules on that but I think it is paid programming because they promote local businesses.
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
i do know that thre is something in the cable companies charter that in order to do business in that town they have to provide content of public interest and a certain amount of time devoted to local residents programs.
the people i'm working with hope to go past public access so that is why i'm trying to make sure the stuff is technically correct. i'm not talking about the content, i'm talking about the signals being in a certain range colorwise, volume and i think brightness is included.
matthew
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
i do know that thre is something in the cable companies charter that in order to do business in that town they have to provide content of public interest and a certain amount of time devoted to local residents programs.
the people i'm working with hope to go past public access so that is why i'm trying to make sure the stuff is technically correct. i'm not talking about the content, i'm talking about the signals being in a certain range colorwise, volume and i think brightness is included.
matthew
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
contact the cable stations access dept. The usually have a sheet with all the specs and requirements for broadcasting shows. I have one from my area regarding guidelines for commercials that I submit, if I can find it i'll list the criteria. Most of the guidelines have to do with actual show length, format for submissions ( minidv, vhs, beta sp etc..), 30 secs of bar and tone, 5 sec slate, signal criteria etc.. Contact them to find out the criteria for your area.
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
contact the cable stations access dept. The usually have a sheet with all the specs and requirements for broadcasting shows. I have one from my area regarding guidelines for commercials that I submit, if I can find it i'll list the criteria. Most of the guidelines have to do with actual show length, format for submissions ( minidv, vhs, beta sp etc..), 30 secs of bar and tone, 5 sec slate, signal criteria etc.. Contact them to find out the criteria for your area.
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
I've aired a music video on my city's access chanel and the success rate was quite high. Apparently, in most towns, nearly 60% of people watch the public access chanel. So this is a great medium to put your work on. As far as any specifics, try to remember that the coaxle video signal will downgrade your video slightly and colors that tend to 'bleed' will most likely show. In your production, i suggest not using very bright lights, since when you air on tv, the black balance pixle shift tends to brighten the image anyways.
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
I've aired a music video on my city's access chanel and the success rate was quite high. Apparently, in most towns, nearly 60% of people watch the public access chanel. So this is a great medium to put your work on. As far as any specifics, try to remember that the coaxle video signal will downgrade your video slightly and colors that tend to 'bleed' will most likely show. In your production, i suggest not using very bright lights, since when you air on tv, the black balance pixle shift tends to brighten the image anyways.
Walter_Graff
Carbonite Member
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
I put that somewhere. I was talking about broadcast cable networks which have detailed requirements for picture levels and specifications for picture and blanking. There is far more to outputting a picture than just 720x486 but your local public access station will not have such a quality control but that doesn't mean those setting shouldn't be in spec, but I would not worry. It involves such things as color bars registering properly in terms of their color and luminance values. Peak white to white, set-up being within 7.5-10 units, tone being present and set properly (0db analog, -18bd digital). The horizontal and vertical width of picture being within FCC spec which usually is a technical number such as 10.5-10.8 microseconds for horizontal and 20-21 lines of vertical blanking and the constituents of that blanking being in spec and an assortment of other technical measurements that must be there for yo show to be accepted by both cable networks and broadcast networks.
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
I put that somewhere. I was talking about broadcast cable networks which have detailed requirements for picture levels and specifications for picture and blanking. There is far more to outputting a picture than just 720x486 but your local public access station will not have such a quality control but that doesn't mean those setting shouldn't be in spec, but I would not worry. It involves such things as color bars registering properly in terms of their color and luminance values. Peak white to white, set-up being within 7.5-10 units, tone being present and set properly (0db analog, -18bd digital). The horizontal and vertical width of picture being within FCC spec which usually is a technical number such as 10.5-10.8 microseconds for horizontal and 20-21 lines of vertical blanking and the constituents of that blanking being in spec and an assortment of other technical measurements that must be there for yo show to be accepted by both cable networks and broadcast networks.
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
i'd like to help them get everything in line now in case their program goes farther than public access.
just seems silly not to take the time now to make sure its right now instead of possibly having to redo anything later!
matthew
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
i'd like to help them get everything in line now in case their program goes farther than public access.
just seems silly not to take the time now to make sure its right now instead of possibly having to redo anything later!
matthew
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
Heres what production requirements are for my cable access provider. 1- All tapes must have bars and tone for :30 secs preceding the spot. 2 - Tape has to have continous control track from beginning to end of spot. Time code is preferred.
3- All tapes must be slated with client info, spot title, and length.
4- A minimum of 15 frames of black and no audio must preceed the first video of the spot.
5- All spots must fade in and out of black.
6- All spots must have mixed audio on both channels.
7- Video levels must not exceed 100 IRE on peak.
8- Chroma levels must not exceed 110 IRE or go below -20 IRE.
9- Sync level will be 40 IRE
10- Black levels will to be below 7.5 IRE
11- Color Burst level will be at 40 IRE
Re: anyone know the spec's for cable tv production
Heres what production requirements are for my cable access provider. 1- All tapes must have bars and tone for :30 secs preceding the spot. 2 - Tape has to have continous control track from beginning to end of spot. Time code is preferred.
3- All tapes must be slated with client info, spot title, and length.
4- A minimum of 15 frames of black and no audio must preceed the first video of the spot.
5- All spots must fade in and out of black.
6- All spots must have mixed audio on both channels.
7- Video levels must not exceed 100 IRE on peak.
8- Chroma levels must not exceed 110 IRE or go below -20 IRE.
9- Sync level will be 40 IRE
10- Black levels will to be below 7.5 IRE
11- Color Burst level will be at 40 IRE