Another 'how was this scene lit?'

Snapper123

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Hey guy's, I have another curiosity. Now, I always love the lighting direction in Harmony Korine's films to death, because they both are amazingly beautiful, quite conventional and extremely realistic looking, and yet also don't have any sort of conventional lighting set up that would confuse the crap out of a budget filmmaker. A great example is this basement scene, a few seconds in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij0YgYAofHk

How in the world was it done? I've paid attention to every single angle and not once does any tiny amount of light change on any part of the boy's body or the mom's hair, and in no part of this scene is there a conventional lighting set-up ; if there was, we'd see it in the mirror. My guess is that there was simply a big flood light or so illuminating the basement in the corner, where the majority of the camera work was done, or that there was a very strong series of light panels on the ceiling, some of which can be seen.

But yeah, this is what Harmony Korine does for almost every scene he's ever filmed, he always uses film, he always incorperates 14 mirrors, 14 windows, 14 lamps, and always uses wide angles that cover the entire spectrum of the room. I personally think it's magical and most all of his films are some of the very few that strike me as always perfectly lit, and the reality is I think that at most, he simply lights a scene using industrial sources built into the location as though he was lighting a room to live in himself (which to me, fits a film I'm doing soon), or he simply uses mirrors and windows to a huge aesthetic advantage, and sets up his scripts to reflect this.

More examples of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q9CJarf3iA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AHASwfKCp8

I mean, I've talked about it before, but even after more education on my part, I simply have to say that these scenes just are not unnaturally lit. Especially the "stawberry scene", I've talked about that before on here and I know for a fact that that scene was not lit unnaturally beyond what may indeed be a reflector, I've recreated scenes in my house that have turned out just as beautiful as this and with the exact same aesthetic, it's just not impossible.

So big question in my head - why aren't films filmed like this? And if HK's scenes are not shot naturally, then, with paying attention to how he always shoots scenes incorperating real locations, wide angles, many angles, huge mirrors, ect ect, then how are they done?
 
Hey guy's
By the way, it's actually "guys". Plural uses s without an apostrophe. Possesive uses 's.
I don't mean to be a nag, but we're all here to learn.

To my relatively inexperienced eyes, the basement scene looks like overhead diffuse lights, as you noticed.
Maybe he put in some 3200°K flourescent tubes in between the ceiling joists, or maybe he built the set and had holes in the ceiling.
But it's very diffuse and all coming from overhead, IMHO.

The streetcar shot looks like it's the existing interior incandescent light. You can even see how the outdoors looks bluish,
so he didn't even try to fix that color imbalance.

The strawberry scene looks like it's lit by the daylight coming in from the window, maybe with a little bounce for fill.

All in all, his approach seems to be to make it look like he just uses existing light. Very natural,
although for the basement scene the coverage is much more even and balanced than could be achieved with practicals.

why aren't films filmed like this?
I think people do this all the time, especially if you want it to look homemade.
So if there's a scene that was supposed to be shot on someone's consumer camcorder, you'll see that scene with "natural" lighting.

Anyway, I'm no expert, so I'm sure there'll be better answers from more experienced cinematographers.
 
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Since you have mentioned specifics about Korine's film, it's a bit of a mystery as to your question...

I would conjecture from the shots of "Gummo"(1997), that the lighting was high and defused (obvsiously) to look like the natural light of the place, but give sufficient light for the film.
How he set this up, is well, unknown unless one has on set shots. My conjecture is that he used a lot of clamps, sheeting, goalbar type setups for bounce/defusion, until the lighting
had no harsh shadows, and was sufficient for his film speed.

The main thing here is big soft boxes, bounce/defusion.

In the other examples, even when there is nearly a 'single' light, it is soft. But on several occaions one can see supporting lights coming in to boost all the areas of the frame
to reasonable shooting levels... all with an eye to really match the natural light.

The way to learn how to do this really is by 'doing'. I'd recommend making some setups, shooting some scenes, any scenes... then in the NLE making the shots monochromatic
to bring out the shadow and highlights, then analyze the results.
 
The reason most movies arent lit like that is because the take place in a less ahem-- er--koff--koff-- realis--t--koff--tic world.

James Bond won't be filmed like that, or a Tim Burton film, because they take place in a world of fantasy. An indie film is more likely to, for example neo--ahm--koff-- realist films, and any other film that's trying to give you the feeling of naturalism or that its taking place in real life or what have you.

Styles are related to budget, too. This look is very accessable to low budget which is why it was adopted by the french new wave and other low budget indies.

Its lots of soft light, basically.

Take a 200 watt bulb from the hardware store bounce it off the white wall in your room, try getting the light to hit people from the sides. If you're working in a room with light coming through the window, expose for the window let the actor fall into shadow. Film outside on overcast days or under shade or use the sun as a backlight when its sunny.

Look up Nestor Almendros, find and read his essay "notes on my profession" it goes into the use of bounced light.

Also Soderberg uses naturalistic light often.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4A2xCwQsMo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcOM4blutzc
 
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