An Evening with Walter Murch--Editing Jarhead with FCP

FourStarCinema

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Last night, I had the special honor of attending a meeting with Academy Award winning film editor Walter Murch in Los Angeles as part of the LA Final Cut Pro User Group, as he spent the evening discussing using Final Cut Pro to edit Sam Mendes' new film "Jarhead". Mr. Murch was very generous, answering everyone's questions about using FCP to edit a Hollywood film, speaking frankly about the advantages and disadvantages of using FCP. He showed us some clips of the film (it was a thrill watching an unfinished Quicktime of Jarhead) and discussed in-depth the technical process as well as the creative process of feature film editing.

The highlight of the presentation was when he showed us a clip where the soldiers in Jarhead were in a movie theater watching Apocalypse Now, and what it was like to re-visit that scene so many years later (if you don't know, he won an Academy Award for editing Apocalypse Now), and having it play so differently in Jarhead. The soldiers were watching it to get themselves pumped up and ready for combat. It was "one of the most appalling and appealing things of making [Jarhead]. Appalling because they showed this film to the soldiers. I was horrified, but I didn't want somebody else to do it." When asked if he saw something he would change in the original editing of Apocalypse Now, he answered "Not to sound immodest, but no".

He went on to discuss other things about the film:

--Jarhead was a 75 day shoot
--He cut dailies at Lucasfilm in San Fransisco
--They used 7 Final Cut Pro workstations
--Sound Editing was done at Lucasfilm
--Jarhead contains over 400 VFX shots
--The initial rough cut was 2:45, which had to be edited down to 2:03 (by comparison, the rough cut of Cold Mountain was 5:30)
--420,000 feet of film was shot
--The film started shooting in December '04, ready to be released 11 months later
--He was still editing 11 days ago
--The music in the film is 40% pop music and 60% original score by Thomas Newman
--Murch recommends not adding music at all into your film until your edits are complete. If you add them too soon, it's like "underage sex. Very awkward." If you add music after editing the footage is complete "expect miraculous things".

Finally, the question everyone wanted to know: Why use Final Cut Pro?
"The adventure. To me, Final Cut Pro is comfortable, like playing a piano".

If anyone is interested, check out www.lafcpug.org, as they will have a DVD available soon of the entire evening.
 
Oh my god i am so jealous of you! Walter Murch is my hero! I can not wait to see this film. Shot by Deakins too! I read the book a while ago and it, too, is appalling and appealing. BTW, Murch won the Oscar for sound on Apocalypse Now. Nominated for editing.
 
Wow, that sounds amazing!

I edit with Final Cut Pro and one of my deciding factors in switching to it was the fact that Murch used it for "Cold Mountain."

Chris
 
Sounds awesome. Murch is amazing.
--Murch recommends not adding music at all into your film until your edits are complete. If you add them too soon, it's like "underage sex. Very awkward." If you add music after editing the footage is complete "expect miraculous things".

What a great analogy. :)
 
I wasn't able to see Murch this time, but when he was at the LAFCPUG meeting at DV Expo I was able to see him.

What strikes me the most about Murch is how well he can explain things. He is a very intelligent and witty person (the "underage sex" line is great") and he is able to explain sometimes abstract ideas or concepts in ways that anyone can understand. He is also very straight forward and honest about what things and what things don't.

I wish I could've seen him again, and I really wish my company didn't lose the bid to do behind the scenes work on "Jarhead." :(

-A
 
If anyone is interested there's a book called Behind the Seen that chronicles Murch's editing for Cold Mountain from start to finish. It's an amazing book that covers not only the whole Final Cut Pro issue, but also gives you an inside look at Murch's editing room.

LAFCPUG had Murch as a speaker after Cold Mountain was released to talk about it, and they offer that DVD currently, definitely worth picking up.

Chris
 
FourStarCinema said:
Murch recommends not adding music at all into your film until your edits are complete. If you add them too soon, it's like "underage sex. Very awkward." If you add music after editing the footage is complete "expect miraculous things".

well I have developed my own workflow, and I always add the music in the end.(except video hits :laugh: ) It is good to know that I am cool!
 
Murch has a cool (albeit thin) and very interesting book on the theory of editing called "In the Blink of an Eye". Worth picking up and reading.
 
PrestonH said:
Murch has a cool (albeit thin) and very interesting book on the theory of editing called "In the Blink of an Eye". Worth picking up and reading.
Good call - that book is a must read if you are interested in editing.

Chris
 
Nice post. One of my favorite books on making movies is The Conversations, Walter Murch and the Art of Editing Film. It's a series of conversations with Michael Ondaatje who wrote The English Patient. Murch edited the film. I'm sure they borrowed the title from another film Murch edited, The Conversation. Also a great film if you haven't seen it.
 
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