advice on 24p editing for film output

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rockinfilms

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Hi,

I'm shooting a doc on a Panasonic DVX100a, editing on Vegas 5.0. Still in the early stages now. Most of the footage has been shot at 4:3 at 30fps. Thinking to shoot the rest at widescreen and 24fps.

I want to output to film.

Do I use the 24fps template in Vegas for NTSC Widescreen? How will the footage already shot at 4:3 in 30fps translate into that? Should I shoot the rest at 24fps, or do it at 30, and do a pull-down in post?

Also, I guess I can do a pan/crop to make the footage 16:9 in Vegas...then, can a render mixed footage (30fps 4:3 and 24fps 16:9) into an output of NTSC widescreen 24p? I am going to try this out and see what happens.

Anyone with any experience in what I am doing, I welcome your input.

Thanks,
Dave.
RockinFilms
 
Did you shoot at 30p or 60i? "30fps" could refer to either.

If 60i, do you want to retain the look of that footage?

Why do you want to switch? How much more do you have to go?

Do you want the 4:3 footage to stay 4:3 on a continuous timeline with the widescreen footage?
 
I have found out the Vegas can convert 60i footage to 24p in a 24p timeline, along with 24p footage - it's ok to mix them in a 24p project. You can also convert the 60i footage seperately if you want, but looks like I won't have to.

I want to end up with a 24p project, to output to film.

I don't want to retain the look of the 60i footage I have shot (it was shot just "standard" setting on the camera...so, it's 30fps video, which I understand to be 60i?)...I want it to look like 24p as much as possible.

I would have shot it in 24pa right from the start, but advice I had went against it. But, it doesn't look like it's going to be that big of a deal.

There is quite a bit of footage to go...I'd say I've only shot less than 1/4 of it.

I want all the footage to look like it's 16:9. I will crop the 60i footage, and shoot the rest of it in 24pa and widescreen. I want it to look like it was shot on film, and want to end up with a DV to film transfer.

I've made a trailer from the 60i footage, made on a 24p timeline, and cropped to be 16:9 - it looks quite "filmic"... much more so than the native 60i footage "untreated".

Dave

David Jimerson said:
Did you shoot at 30p or 60i? "30fps" could refer to either.

If 60i, do you want to retain the look of that footage?

Why do you want to switch? How much more do you have to go?

Do you want the 4:3 footage to stay 4:3 on a continuous timeline with the widescreen footage?
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60i is sometimes referred to as "30fps," but in reality, it's not. It's 60 half-frames per second; each field (half-frame) is offset by the last and the next by 1/60 of a second.

30p is 30 progressives frames per second.

With the caveat that both are inexact because of sound-syncing issues.

But yes, you do appear to have figured it out.

Who gave you the "advice" not to shoot 24pA, especially when film-out is the goal?
 
We want to do the same thing, except we are staying in 4x3.
Just recently, we sent over some of our DV footage shot in 24PA to Heavylight Digital in NYC for a film test - $300 bucks will get you a 2k, 4k, and laser transfer of 1 minute of film, plus a screening in a theater at Magno studio.

It was a good test, and is recommended if you want to check the transfer process - just edit together a 1 min clip that combines both formats and see what they can do.

They did the transfer for Supersize Me, Open Water, and Mad Hot Ballroom -- the first 2 were shot at interlaced. Supersize me was actually shot interlaced and cropped to 16x9, so they even started out with lower res and cropped in to 16x9 then scaled up. So if that helps, it tells you that these studios can do a lot with even sub-optimal setups.

Good luck!

We are shooting everything in 24PA now. The test went well...in hindsight we may have started with an Anamorphic, but it was a little intimidating...
 
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