Adobe Premiere

You think they'll offer perpetual licences again? I don't know. I don't think so. I'm checking out Media Composer right now... feels a little old timey. I had FCP 7, switched to Premiere and a Windows machine. We'll see. I'd buy a mac pro and switch back but maybe to Smoke ;)

Anyway, it's a shame. I like PP, AE and Audition but I ain't doing the subscription.
 
HScully - sadly, no. Adobe is not going to be offering perpetual licenses again any time soon.

My day job is as the Multimedia Artist for an Adobe Gold Certified software reseller, and I can tell you with 99% certainty that the Creative Cloud is pretty much their only selling model from now on.
 
Kyle Fordrung said:
HScully - sadly, no. Adobe is not going to be offering perpetual licenses again any time soon.

My day job is as the Multimedia Artist for an Adobe Gold Certified software reseller, and I can tell you with 99% certainty that the Creative Cloud is pretty much their only selling model from now on.
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Yeah, that's what I figured. Somebody up above in the thread mentioned how they thought that might happen. I know they aren't going back. Why would they? If I had a license to print money I'd do it too.
 
I used to be the kind of person that only upgraded software every two years or so. But lately, with rapid advances in features and changing technology, I found myself upgrading with each new version. Seems a bit silly to me to hold on to software when a new version comes out. I switched to CC and haven't regretted it. Each new update has brought features that prove invaluable to the work I'm doing. I guess if video is just a hobby for you, CS6 would be the way to go. But if you're making weekly youtube vids or films on a regular basis, CC is a great way to go.
 
I subscribe to lots of things. When I unsubscribe I lose only that service (e.g. lynda.com, netflix, web host, cable, wireless, ASC, nytimes) That's fair.

If I unsubscribe to CC I brick my project. That's not fair and not a risk I want to take. Good luck with that.
 
hscully said:
I subscribe to lots of things. When I unsubscribe I lose only that service (e.g. lynda.com, netflix, web host, cable, wireless, ASC, nytimes) That's fair.

If I unsubscribe to CC I brick my project. That's not fair and not a risk I want to take. Good luck with that.
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You lose every project you made with it and are left with nothing but the memories essentially
 
Well upgrading Avid Media Composer just bricked half of my project, and rolling back to the previous version bricks the other half. So right now I'm more concerned with the actual than the hypothetical. By way of contrast, I've been able to consistently update every Adobe CC program w/o a single hiccup and with the click of only a few buttons.
 
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hscully said:
I subscribe to lots of things. When I unsubscribe I lose only that service (e.g. lynda.com, netflix, web host, cable, wireless, ASC, nytimes) That's fair.

If I unsubscribe to CC I brick my project. That's not fair and not a risk I want to take. Good luck with that.
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firehawk said:
You lose every project you made with it and are left with nothing but the memories essentially
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Pay the $30 or whatever it is for the month to month subscription, and bill the client for it.
 
Yes, but if you decide to unsubscribe, and your client calls for a title change so you have to fire it up for a quick change and a render, you need to re-subscribe and the monthly is higher when not an annual (I seem to remember $75 a month) for one month. $30 is an introductory plan and will go up to $50 and what's to stop them from there.

I am working on PP right this minute, CS6. I like it very much and I will miss it. I may need to subscribe for some time if I need to upgrade for a project before I switch over to the next NLE for me. I'm pretty invested in this platform, but I do not like that they have broken our deal. I bought CS5 and upgraded with the understanding that I could upgrade the software I bought with their support. I will invest elsewhere long term.

It's not really about the money, for me.
 
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hscully said:
I'm pretty invested in this platform, but I do not like that they have broken our deal. I bought CS5 and upgraded with the understanding that I could upgrade the software I bought with their support. I will invest elsewhere long term.
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What deal did Adobe break? Were you promised free upgrades for life or something? You give Adobe money and you get to use their software in return. Adobe is still also supporting CS6 and nothing Adobe is doing is baring you from updating to the latest version of PPro.


-Andrew
 
hscully said:
I am working on PP right this minute, CS6. I like it very much and I will miss it. I may need to subscribe for some time if I need to upgrade for a project before I switch over to the next NLE for me. I'm pretty invested in this platform, but I do not like that they have broken our deal. I bought CS5 and upgraded with the understanding that I could upgrade the software I bought with their support. I will invest elsewhere long term.

It's not really about the money, for me.
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Maybe I'm just jet lagged, but this is one of the most confusing posts I've read in a while. What's to miss? Where is your 6 going and why would you have to subscribe to CC if you're happy with 6? I think that version will certainly be relevant for the immediate future. (Hell, I'm trying to force myself to get comfortable with CS6 despite being on FCP since whenever.)

And what's the deal again?
 
I bought a perpetual license for the Creative Suite. The deal was that with that purchase I may purchase updates to my software license to include new features, supported codecs as they arise, etc. Upgrades are not available to perpetual license holders of CS6. That was the deal. If they told me that I would not be able to upgrade but would be forced to take what, at the time of purchase was an option - CC, I would not have bought it. That's all. They stopped selling what I wanted, which is their option.

I will use it as long as it is useful or as you say relevant but that will end at some time. since I cannot upgrade, further investment in education and plugins will be a waste.
 
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adkimery said:
What deal did Adobe break? Were you promised free upgrades for life or something? You give Adobe money and you get to use their software in return. Adobe is still also supporting CS6 and nothing Adobe is doing is baring you from updating to the latest version of PPro.


-Andrew
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The only way to upgrade is to join CC. I cannot upgrade PP on CS6. I am barred from doing so. Not sure what you mean. I said that I paid for updates and would happily continue to do so but they are no longer available for perpetual license holders of CS6. Right?

The software I bought is supported for bug fixes, but not updates. Unless I am missing something but I don't think so
 
hscully said:
I bought a perpetual license for the Creative Suite. The deal was that with that purchase I may purchase updates to my software license to include new features, supported codecs as they arise, etc. Upgrades are not available to perpetual license holders of CS6. That was the deal. If they told me that I would not be able to upgrade but would be forced to take what, at the time of purchase was an option - CC, I would not have bought it. That's all. They stopped selling what I wanted, which is their option.

I will use it as long as it is useful or as you say relevant but that will end at some time. since I cannot upgrade, further investment in education and plugins will be a waste.
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Where in the EULA from Adobe does it say that they will always and forever add new features to old versions of their software? You paid for a license to use a specific version of the software in perpetuity, not a license to perpetually get feature updates. If you want new features you have to upgrade to the new version of the software. No different than in the past.
 
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Where in the EULA from Adobe does it say that they will always and forever add new features to old versions of their software? You paid for a license to use a specific version of the software in perpetuity, not a license to perpetually get feature updates. If you want new features you have to upgrade to the new version of the software. No different than in the past.
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There are no more upgrades available for CS6. That's what I'm saying. I never said I wanted perpetual upgrades for no money! I want to upgrade my software but I cannot! The only way to get new features is to join the Creative Cloud and pay by the month, which was NOT the deal when I bought the software.
 
pkw11 said:
Adobe's decision to go to the lease only model is an idiotic mistake IMHO. I've used computers professionally for almost 30 years starting with big mainframes in which everything (hardware and software) was leased. In business models in the old days it made sense. Today, Adobe's decision is going back to the iron age of computing. The "cloud" is nonsense to those of use who remember 3270 terminals and OS/MVS operating systems.

Adobe seems to think that thousands of independent filmmakers, students and countless other small business users of their products are going to endlessly rent their product just because that's what "professionals" do. Why? For many people like me (I'm running CS6) I have absolutely no need for CC or an upgrade for CS6. My documentary film project was shot on a DVX100b. And my next project is being shot on an HVX200A.

If Adobe becomes impractical I'll switch to Avid. Lots has changed in the 30 years since I started working with computers. Adobe will not be immune from the forces of the market and the public. And for those of you who say that I'm just a part time hacker and not a "real" filmmaker, well that is true. I have another profession in medical research. I do filmmaking on the side. But my copy of Adobe is just as valid as the one at the big L.A. studios just down the street from me. Adobe didn't become a software giant by selling millions of copies of their software to millions of studios. They got big by selling software to people like me.

And now people like me are not going buy Adobe any longer.
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Me too. What you say about market forces is accurate. Someone else has made this point in this thread but it's worth repeating. Adobe has managed to pull a tremendous trick here. They have no need to add worthy innovations to their feature set to encourage upgrades. They have effectively side stepped their incentive to innovate. The subscriber pays no matter what they don't do. It's Silicon Valley hubris at it's worse.
 
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hscully said:
There are no more upgrades available for CS6. That's what I'm saying. I never said I wanted perpetual upgrades for no money! I want to upgrade my software but I cannot! The only way to get new features is to join the Creative Cloud and pay by the month, which was NOT the deal when I bought the software.
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Things change.
 
hscully said:
Me too. What you say about market forces is accurate. Someone else has made this point in this thread but it's worth repeating. Adobe has managed to pull a tremendous trick here. They have no need to add worthy innovations to their feature set to encourage upgrades. They have effectively side stepped their incentive to innovate. The subscriber pays no matter what they don't do. It's Silicon Valley hubris at it's worse.
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The primary thing Adobe needs to innovate is money to pay its developers. As a longtime Avid user, I've noticed the affect that rounds of layoffs, dwindling margins and outsourcing has had on the company and its products.
 
^ Exactly. As a former Avid user (beginning in '97), as was mcgee I believe, I think the last thing we want is for Adobe to follow the Avid business model.

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Adobe has not only recovered from the depths of the recession in '09, but has surpassed previous pre-recession highs and continues rising post-Cloud.

Hopefully, as BobbyMurcer pointed out, Adobe's innovation will continue.

Avid, on the other hand, plumetted to $5/share and is now at $8, with their rate of innovation following the fall.

Do I think the Cloud solution is perfect? No, of course not.
Am I willing to use it to stay current (which is essential now more than ever)?

Yes.
 
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