Adobe CS5 with GH1 footage? Discouraged.

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mikecazzx

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So I hear how great CS5 is and I want to try the trial of Premiere CS5. I have to laugh at how quickly the Adobe products become a PITA. Am I suckered if I am not a Canon fanboy?

#1. I cannot import a project from a lynda.com CS5 training dvd.
(the project contained a sequence that could not be opened. No sequence preview...blah blah blah.

#2. I do not see any sort of option that seems to match my AVCHD footage in creating a new project. What a joke. In Vegas I can simply select the file and it read the correct properties.

Anyone use this with the GH1?
 
avchd presets don't exist in the trial version of cs5, unfortunately. however, works beautifully in the full version.
 
Just an update. I sent an AVCHD file to my brother who has the regged version of CS5. He tried every AVCHD project option and upon preview the clip pumps and moves in the preview window! What in the world is going on with Adobe? This is just a log of my experience. I know with Vegas everything is smooth and soooo easy to get up and going. I guess I got swept up in Shane Hurlbut's Canon/Adobe evangelism.
 
Due to licensing issues with the MPEG LA, trial programs do not have any MPEG functionality.

AVCHD will edit quite nicely inside of CS5 on a system that is capable of handling it. The i7 920 is a good baseline processor for this material.

I believe Adobe offers a 30 day refund policy if you really want to try it.
 
mikecazzx said:
He tried every AVCHD project option and upon preview the clip pumps and moves in the preview window!
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You can playback AVCHD footage @ three different resolutions. To get rid of that "pumping" you must set the Playback Resolution from its default 1/2 to Full.

This is how it is done:
1. Right click in the Program panel
2. Choose Playback Resolution and change it from 1/2 to Full

Now, playback the footage and report back how it looks and performs! :)
 
mikecazzx said:
So I hear how great CS5 is and I want to try the trial of Premiere CS5. I have to laugh at how quickly the Adobe products become a PITA. Am I suckered if I am not a Canon fanboy?

#1. I cannot import a project from a lynda.com CS5 training dvd.
(the project contained a sequence that could not be opened. No sequence preview...blah blah blah.

#2. I do not see any sort of option that seems to match my AVCHD footage in creating a new project. What a joke. In Vegas I can simply select the file and it read the correct properties.

Anyone use this with the GH1?
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If you like Vegas so much and it handles AVCHD so well why are you using the Premiere Pro trial version? My i7 system with a medicore GT 240 handles native AVCHD just fine a full resolution and I am still using CS4. I have no need to test the trial version of Vegas Video. My system with CS5 would easily let me black 3 layers with a simple CC effect applied to each layer.

PP CS5 will rock if you have an Nvida card with at least 90 CUDA cores.
 
Please help advise me folks:

I am getting occasional PITA stuttering with AVCHD footage in Premiere Pro CS5 on my Macbook Pro C2Duo.

My suspicion is that I need a second external hard drive for all parallel files. Should I set my G-drive to handle AVCHD, and a second firewire drive to handle music and sound recorder files etc. Will that help? I am going on the assumption that having multiple tracks on the timeline, and one HDD scanning for all of them, is causing me grief and stuttering, as the HDD searches different parts of the disc.

Many thanks
 
Lucas, AVCHD is more CPU dependent than hard-drive dependent...unlikely that it's a HD problem.

Mike, I love PP but I have to say that the trial is ridiculous in that it prevents many of the "pro" codecs from being used (not Adobe's fault). At least they could have made it so that you can import the codecs, but not export?! I don't know...CS5 really is the best, especially if you consider dynamic link and the fact that it will edit almost all formats currently on the market natively.
 
Thanks Phil. The thing is it works fine most of the time, so I think my CPU is OK, but then on occasion it gets really choppy, and my hard drive makes one hell of a racket at those times. It's a new drive, so the issue isn't fragmentation, but audio tracks in parallel with video, and in separate part of the drive, is effectively the same as fragmentation, isn't it?

I guess what I'm asking is, what is the recommended professional editing procedure for setting up hard drives and scratch discs? Is it normal to chuck everything onto one external drive, as I am doing currently, or would more drives for different things be the norm, and how should that look?
 
Phil1076 said:
Lucas, AVCHD is more CPU dependent than hard-drive dependent...unlikely that it's a HD problem.

Mike, I love PP but I have to say that the trial is ridiculous in that it prevents many of the "pro" codecs from being used (not Adobe's fault). At least they could have made it so that you can import the codecs, but not export?! I don't know...CS5 really is the best, especially if you consider dynamic link and the fact that it will edit almost all formats currently on the market natively.
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Although I love how intuitive Vegas is, after taking a real look at Premiere, there is no denying it is a serious tool for professional workflows.
 
Thanks Phil. The thing is it works fine most of the time, so I think my CPU is OK, but then on occasion it gets really choppy, and my hard drive makes one hell of a racket at those times. It's a new drive, so the issue isn't fragmentation, but audio tracks in parallel with video, and in separate part of the drive, is effectively the same as fragmentation, isn't it?
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I have found that I am having the same issue with my newest drive, 1.5TB SATA...would be interested to see what the deal is. When playing back AVCHD - or really any media, at times the playback in PP will come to a halt (audio keeps playing), the drive sounds like its spinning quicker/louder for a couple of seconds, then the project catches up...could be a buffering issue?
 
Yes, it's not just AVCHD for me either.

Well how I see it, Neighbourhood Studios, is that the hard drive is reading a constant stream, but from several parts of the disc, which is a big burden, and has to shuffle a buffer of data to the computer's RAM, whilst it collects the other stuff to play in parallel, or is that over-simplification? Either way, I'm going to try a separate drive for audio, as it makes sense to me, as it increases playheads, doubling the potential data-rate. Kind of like how RAID 0 increases bandwidth, but simpler.
 
Let me know if that helps at all. It would be nice to figure out the problem. Whenever I create a new project file, all of my video goes into one folder, and any music/SFX comes from a library on another drive...but I still have issues with the footage itself. Every few minutes on the timeline playback will stop, but audio from the video clip keeps going until the video seems "to catch up".
 
what is the recommended professional editing procedure for setting up hard drives
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A good minimum is three internal drives. One for OS and programs, one for Projects/Scratch, and one for Media.
 
Jim Simon said:
A good minimum is three internal drives. One for OS and programs, one for Projects/Scratch, and one for Media.
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I am still having issues with that setup your recommending.
Windows 7
4 gig ram
Intel Quadcore 2.4 ghz
Nvidia GEforce 8600 512 mb ram (no mercury enabled)
Sata drives - 7200
All Scratch disks configured to drives that are not C:\

Realtime preview is stuttering, stopping and audio keeps going. Very confused here. CPU load seems low and ram has some to spare.
Am I missing something basic like not setting preview window to full?
 
If you've got a heavily fragmented HDD, you'll have shuttering problems even if you're only working on one file. (That one file maybe all over the HDD thus the decrease in performance.)
Moral of the story is simple: Defragment your HDD.

Here's what I do:
I use O&O defrag and its complete/name method. All the my media files that I shot are in sequential order sorted by dates, so that complete/name method organizes all the folder/files in order.
This way, the head of the HDD doesn't need to travel all across entire HDD: everything is right next to each other.
 
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