HenryDee
Active member
Has anyone ever worked for this company? and is it normal to be payed every 30 days as a videographer.
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Ad Video Production, anyone ever worked for them?
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basspig
Veteran
If this is anything like TurnHere Producers, don't waste your time. I have been a 'member' of TurnHere for 2-1/2 years, attended their webinars, filled out all required forms, complied with all their requests and to date, I have not received even one assignment from them. What a collassal waste of time. I would say avoid these companies like the plague. They are nothing but a time sink.
Francois Gand
New member
My name is François Gand and I am the Founder and the Chairman of the Board of Directors of ADVIDEO.
ADVIDEO is today one of the largest producers of online video commercials in the World with several -- thousands -- of shoots happening each year throughout Canada, the United States and Europe. We are the official partner and national producer of the online video commercials for many of the largest online directories and our goal is to provide to these entities very affordable yet high quality online video advertising for their small and medium-sized business listings.
By architecting such a large number of productions, we do indeed give work on a daily basis to a very large set of hand-picked videographers who have both the skills and the hardware that we require to make these shoots happen.
We are indeed a direct competitor to TurnHere yet operate very differently. We are in fact the only company worldwide that has actually replaced TurnHere several times in major national deals and contractual dealings. Ultimately, our organization does provide work where the directories need their business advertisers to be filmed. At times, not every single city and town will be made available to our pool of videographers and at times a videographer who is placed in an active area may not have the equipment for instance to help us and thus another videographer who has such equipment will take these assignments instead. Unlike any other organization in this industry, ADVIDEO is also a franchisor where we push our business model to local partners to penetrate markets at a much deeper level.
I am not sure who HenryDee is as if you are one of our professional videographers, you should also be technically under a Non-Disclosure Agreement and should not be discussing our payment terms in the open.... Nevertheless I will be glad to comment a little further on that point as well...
Directories and the consortiums behind them deal in standard or extended terms when it comes down to complex national contracts. Net 30 is in fact an international standard in the business world and the reality is that most dealings require at times much more extended terms than 30 days at our level. On our side, we do try to keep our videographers within these Net 30 terms yet it is pretty much impossible to have shorter terms due to the numerous steps and procedures involved in the production of such commercials and also due to the fact that all videographers across the board, wherever they are located, do need to be paid on a regular basis and budgets are set very precisely and very tightly to process most people as fast as possible. The reality is that ADVIDEO has always paid every single one of its videographers for the thousands of shoots we have mandated yet make no mistake... the directories are in charge of what happens and if any delay arises from them, we and the videographers have to wait accordingly.
I hope this gives you a little bit more understanding of the complexity of what we do. The bottom line is that a lot of videographers are sitting today with several thousands of dollars of equipment in their closets and we have the means to give to many of you that extra work and income on a regular basis, something that one might appreciate in these tougher economic times.
I am available for correspondence via francois@advideoproduction.com or via 1.800.834.8348 x111 if any of you wishes to speak with me directly.
I usually do not appear on bulletin boards as I do not have the time yet I am certainly open to any healthy and constructive comment which can derive from this exchange.
Best Regards to all,
François
François Gand
B.S.B.A., I.C.S.E., M.C.P.
ADVIDEO - Chairman of the Board of Directors
ADVIDEO is today one of the largest producers of online video commercials in the World with several -- thousands -- of shoots happening each year throughout Canada, the United States and Europe. We are the official partner and national producer of the online video commercials for many of the largest online directories and our goal is to provide to these entities very affordable yet high quality online video advertising for their small and medium-sized business listings.
By architecting such a large number of productions, we do indeed give work on a daily basis to a very large set of hand-picked videographers who have both the skills and the hardware that we require to make these shoots happen.
We are indeed a direct competitor to TurnHere yet operate very differently. We are in fact the only company worldwide that has actually replaced TurnHere several times in major national deals and contractual dealings. Ultimately, our organization does provide work where the directories need their business advertisers to be filmed. At times, not every single city and town will be made available to our pool of videographers and at times a videographer who is placed in an active area may not have the equipment for instance to help us and thus another videographer who has such equipment will take these assignments instead. Unlike any other organization in this industry, ADVIDEO is also a franchisor where we push our business model to local partners to penetrate markets at a much deeper level.
I am not sure who HenryDee is as if you are one of our professional videographers, you should also be technically under a Non-Disclosure Agreement and should not be discussing our payment terms in the open.... Nevertheless I will be glad to comment a little further on that point as well...
Directories and the consortiums behind them deal in standard or extended terms when it comes down to complex national contracts. Net 30 is in fact an international standard in the business world and the reality is that most dealings require at times much more extended terms than 30 days at our level. On our side, we do try to keep our videographers within these Net 30 terms yet it is pretty much impossible to have shorter terms due to the numerous steps and procedures involved in the production of such commercials and also due to the fact that all videographers across the board, wherever they are located, do need to be paid on a regular basis and budgets are set very precisely and very tightly to process most people as fast as possible. The reality is that ADVIDEO has always paid every single one of its videographers for the thousands of shoots we have mandated yet make no mistake... the directories are in charge of what happens and if any delay arises from them, we and the videographers have to wait accordingly.
I hope this gives you a little bit more understanding of the complexity of what we do. The bottom line is that a lot of videographers are sitting today with several thousands of dollars of equipment in their closets and we have the means to give to many of you that extra work and income on a regular basis, something that one might appreciate in these tougher economic times.
I am available for correspondence via francois@advideoproduction.com or via 1.800.834.8348 x111 if any of you wishes to speak with me directly.
I usually do not appear on bulletin boards as I do not have the time yet I am certainly open to any healthy and constructive comment which can derive from this exchange.
Best Regards to all,
François
François Gand
B.S.B.A., I.C.S.E., M.C.P.
ADVIDEO - Chairman of the Board of Directors
Cole
Well-known member
François,
Welcome to the DVX Community, even if only for one post. I appreciate you taking the time to elaborate on your company and it's policies. I will be sending an email to you shortly.
Thanks again,
Cole
Francois Gand
New member
Thank you for your welcome Cole.
Much appreciated.
Regards,
François
François Gand
B.S.B.A., I.C.S.E., M.C.P.
ADVIDEO - Chairman of the Board of Directors
Much appreciated.
Regards,
François
François Gand
B.S.B.A., I.C.S.E., M.C.P.
ADVIDEO - Chairman of the Board of Directors
Not to gloat or anything but TurnHere gave me my first shoot a week after I signed up and I've been working with them for the past few months. Maybe they have more clients in the west coast. I know many videographers wouldn't even consider working for these types of companies due to low pay but doing these on the side once and awhile may help out with the bills and be able to afford more equipment.
mainstreetprod
Veteran
I signed up for Turnhere a couple of years ago and except for seasonal slowdowns, have worked pretty consistantly. I find the jobs to be the lowest stress of any video jobs , because Turnhere specifies exactly how the shoot will go, the client has little input. Any re edits, if not my mistake, are done by them, not me. Not for everyone, but for me, it's the easiest money I make in video.
peekaboovideoproductions
New member
In regards to ADVIDEO, I did a couple of shoots for them and it do take a little while to get paid. 44 days and no payment as of yet. Gee, I got bills to pay as well. I can understand 30 days net, it seems to be the business standard. But I like to get paid on time. I do my work and I want them to pay me in 30 days... It seems to much of a hassel and I am feeling a little discourage................
chromeboy007
Well-known member
Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
I signed up with TurnHere a few months ago... but nothing. It sounds like once they like somebody they will keep going back to him/her over and over again within the jurisdiction. They don't spread the wealth. Hope Ad Video has a more 'democratic' policy regarding who to choose.
basspig
Veteran
It's interesting to note that the folks that signed up with TurnHere and got no work, even after many years, are all in the northeast, like me.
I'm really frustrated; I even started putting up adverts looking for a marketing person to work full commission only, to bring in some business. There are no jobs in my area, (I've been out of the job market since '84 when electronics dried up) and so I went into typesetting, then graphic design, then color prepress, and, when digital video made cinematography a reachable goal, I moved into video as a business in 2001-02. I've owned tube video cameras since the 1980s, even built my own gen-lock system and modified the cameras for ext timebase and built my own timing generator, but I was editing on ED Beta and bouncing to VHS and I didn't feel confident in the quality of the product then. Now that I have the tools to provide second to none quality, and am an authority on great audio, a few lucky clients have had the opportunity to experience and then rave about the quality of what I made for them. However, one $1500 shoot/edit job every 6-10 months isn't going to cut it when you have house taxes of $12K/year to pay. I really don't care if I get lots of work or not.. video could be a fun hobby if I didn't have to worry about pay.. but the town wants federal reserve notes from me, not bartered services, so I need paid work, damnit! All these so-called agregating companies that claim to give you extra jobs in your area are inconsistent at best. Only a few metro areas are served. Those of us in high-tax rural areas are out in the cold. There are no jobs here, except gas stations and fast food. Most people earn their money as bankers, stock speculators, doctors and lawyers and novelists, actors, musicians around here. These people generally don't hire videographers. And their jobs are telecommuting, so they rarely need to leave their mansions to earn their income. I used to commute 300 miles round trip each day to service remote radio transmission sites. But I'm getting to old to climb towers and repair antennas in the sub-zero freezing weather. So I decided to focus full on video in 2008. But the income is not there.. I earned $3080 last year. I'm in collections on property taxes now. If the town can expect me to pay them, then I suppose I have a right to employment to fulfill my 'civic duty'. But where's the work? Just frustrated with all these TurnHere type organizations!
I'm really frustrated; I even started putting up adverts looking for a marketing person to work full commission only, to bring in some business. There are no jobs in my area, (I've been out of the job market since '84 when electronics dried up) and so I went into typesetting, then graphic design, then color prepress, and, when digital video made cinematography a reachable goal, I moved into video as a business in 2001-02. I've owned tube video cameras since the 1980s, even built my own gen-lock system and modified the cameras for ext timebase and built my own timing generator, but I was editing on ED Beta and bouncing to VHS and I didn't feel confident in the quality of the product then. Now that I have the tools to provide second to none quality, and am an authority on great audio, a few lucky clients have had the opportunity to experience and then rave about the quality of what I made for them. However, one $1500 shoot/edit job every 6-10 months isn't going to cut it when you have house taxes of $12K/year to pay. I really don't care if I get lots of work or not.. video could be a fun hobby if I didn't have to worry about pay.. but the town wants federal reserve notes from me, not bartered services, so I need paid work, damnit! All these so-called agregating companies that claim to give you extra jobs in your area are inconsistent at best. Only a few metro areas are served. Those of us in high-tax rural areas are out in the cold. There are no jobs here, except gas stations and fast food. Most people earn their money as bankers, stock speculators, doctors and lawyers and novelists, actors, musicians around here. These people generally don't hire videographers. And their jobs are telecommuting, so they rarely need to leave their mansions to earn their income. I used to commute 300 miles round trip each day to service remote radio transmission sites. But I'm getting to old to climb towers and repair antennas in the sub-zero freezing weather. So I decided to focus full on video in 2008. But the income is not there.. I earned $3080 last year. I'm in collections on property taxes now. If the town can expect me to pay them, then I suppose I have a right to employment to fulfill my 'civic duty'. But where's the work? Just frustrated with all these TurnHere type organizations!
Francois Gand
New member
A note...
A note...
Hello DVXUser Members,
As I have mentioned in the past, I am rarely on bulletin boards due to a quite heavy schedule yet I am always open to constructive remarks and discussions and will remain available for any feedback or comment concerning the ADVIDEO organization.
First, Michael, I hope you feel better
... Yes, you were indeed paid as ALL of our videographers are since Day 1 of our firm's existence and to my understanding you are still shooting for us with more assignements already lined-up for you in the next couple of weeks.
Second, I see here a definite set of mixed opinions about companies like ADVIDEO or TurnHere, which I think is overall very healthy for all of us to see and read about.
The reality is that our organizations have come in to architecture, manage and optimize the work for very large national or international consortiums that need local videography services in thousands of locations. This type of duty is at times misunderstood and many people jump to conclusions without clearly realizing the actual amount of work, operational capacity and expert knowledge this type of position requires. We deal daily with over 5,000 professional videographers, endless numbers of professional cameras, about the same in codecs and software applications and much more with thousands of shoots and post-productions yearly done throughout multiple countries and continents... all requiring optimal precision, professional delivery and reliability to serve all of these advertisers and clients with the highest quality possible each and every time and with some of the tightest budgets ever granted.
To orchestrate such amount of work, information and logistics not only in the area of professional videography but also in the matters of advanced post-production, animation and motion graphics, data center networks, advanced IT management, web and mobile architecture, customer service in multiple languages, creative advertising and more, we require the best people and equipment possible and all of this is fully dependent on the consortiums that we work for and that we also get paid from. As mentioned and just like you, we need to get paid to operate and we depend on them to pay on-time for the work that we deliver. If any delay is experienced at our level, that delay most likely will get replicated in some form down the pipeline and there is not much that can be done about it. The reality though is that these consortiums generate usually several billions of documented revenues per year, so there is a high level of trust and contractual paperwork that ensure that all bills will get paid, no matter what. However, as in any large organization, these types of transactions are relatively complex and more importantly require time, people and work.
As noted earlier, this type of side projects for a videographer can be rewarding both personally and professionally. In rougher times, it can also be a positive add-on to your revenue yet one must understand that we will indeed work with professionals that we can trust and can deliver up to our specs. If a local territory is well-covered by a professional videographer (or several ones depending on how large the territory is) there may not be an actual need to add more videographers in that location unless the work increases drastically and/or we are looking for a specific type of camera, etc... We do create strong relationships in most of the territories we cover and we do encourage people to register on our website at no charge for us to review who they are, what kind of professional gear they have available and if we can work with them or not based on their diverse skills. Ultimately we look for solid alliances with local videographers, some of which have already lasted years with work orders assigned to them on a daily and/or weekly basis. We are not in a position where we can promise work orders per se to every single videographer as everything is once again dependent on the workload of our own clients yet we can usually make a difference in someone's income as long as that territory is active and work is assignable. The key for you is to ultimately understand what our requirements are and also understand that work can be yours as long as you can work with our terms and can deliver to us quality footage (and sound) with solid and creative takes.
Have all an excellent week-end.
I remain available directly at 1.800.834.8348 x111 or via francois@advideoproduction.com if anyone needs further assistance or clarification on any of the above.
Thank you very much.
François
François Gand
B.S.B.A., I.C.S.E., M.C.P.
ADVIDEO - Chairman of the Board of Directors
A note...
Hello DVXUser Members,
As I have mentioned in the past, I am rarely on bulletin boards due to a quite heavy schedule yet I am always open to constructive remarks and discussions and will remain available for any feedback or comment concerning the ADVIDEO organization.
First, Michael, I hope you feel better
... Yes, you were indeed paid as ALL of our videographers are since Day 1 of our firm's existence and to my understanding you are still shooting for us with more assignements already lined-up for you in the next couple of weeks.Second, I see here a definite set of mixed opinions about companies like ADVIDEO or TurnHere, which I think is overall very healthy for all of us to see and read about.
The reality is that our organizations have come in to architecture, manage and optimize the work for very large national or international consortiums that need local videography services in thousands of locations. This type of duty is at times misunderstood and many people jump to conclusions without clearly realizing the actual amount of work, operational capacity and expert knowledge this type of position requires. We deal daily with over 5,000 professional videographers, endless numbers of professional cameras, about the same in codecs and software applications and much more with thousands of shoots and post-productions yearly done throughout multiple countries and continents... all requiring optimal precision, professional delivery and reliability to serve all of these advertisers and clients with the highest quality possible each and every time and with some of the tightest budgets ever granted.
To orchestrate such amount of work, information and logistics not only in the area of professional videography but also in the matters of advanced post-production, animation and motion graphics, data center networks, advanced IT management, web and mobile architecture, customer service in multiple languages, creative advertising and more, we require the best people and equipment possible and all of this is fully dependent on the consortiums that we work for and that we also get paid from. As mentioned and just like you, we need to get paid to operate and we depend on them to pay on-time for the work that we deliver. If any delay is experienced at our level, that delay most likely will get replicated in some form down the pipeline and there is not much that can be done about it. The reality though is that these consortiums generate usually several billions of documented revenues per year, so there is a high level of trust and contractual paperwork that ensure that all bills will get paid, no matter what. However, as in any large organization, these types of transactions are relatively complex and more importantly require time, people and work.
As noted earlier, this type of side projects for a videographer can be rewarding both personally and professionally. In rougher times, it can also be a positive add-on to your revenue yet one must understand that we will indeed work with professionals that we can trust and can deliver up to our specs. If a local territory is well-covered by a professional videographer (or several ones depending on how large the territory is) there may not be an actual need to add more videographers in that location unless the work increases drastically and/or we are looking for a specific type of camera, etc... We do create strong relationships in most of the territories we cover and we do encourage people to register on our website at no charge for us to review who they are, what kind of professional gear they have available and if we can work with them or not based on their diverse skills. Ultimately we look for solid alliances with local videographers, some of which have already lasted years with work orders assigned to them on a daily and/or weekly basis. We are not in a position where we can promise work orders per se to every single videographer as everything is once again dependent on the workload of our own clients yet we can usually make a difference in someone's income as long as that territory is active and work is assignable. The key for you is to ultimately understand what our requirements are and also understand that work can be yours as long as you can work with our terms and can deliver to us quality footage (and sound) with solid and creative takes.
Have all an excellent week-end.
I remain available directly at 1.800.834.8348 x111 or via francois@advideoproduction.com if anyone needs further assistance or clarification on any of the above.
Thank you very much.
François
François Gand
B.S.B.A., I.C.S.E., M.C.P.
ADVIDEO - Chairman of the Board of Directors
Rylan Zolinski
Well-known member
I generally got a shoot here and there and would have to ask for the couple hours off from work to go shoot it since they generally were in the daytime. The price for each video shot compared to how many hours I had to take off wasn't worth it but that isn't their fault of course. What I am generally saying is that if you get enough work from them, it can definitely work out.
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basspig
Veteran
I have yet to see one of these affiliate based production scams--uh, I mean companies--actually pay. TurnHere is a scam, and so are many others..
Best bet is Google AdWords. I spent $1000 on AdWords last year and brought in $1650 in new business, a $650 profit and the $1000 makes a nice tax deduction.
Frankly, the best benefit about videography is that income is always below federal poverty levels, and you have plenty of heavy deductions for equipment. Never pay income tax, legally, as a videographer.. that seems to be the big benefit of this business.
Best bet is Google AdWords. I spent $1000 on AdWords last year and brought in $1650 in new business, a $650 profit and the $1000 makes a nice tax deduction.
Frankly, the best benefit about videography is that income is always below federal poverty levels, and you have plenty of heavy deductions for equipment. Never pay income tax, legally, as a videographer.. that seems to be the big benefit of this business.
havasuphoto
Well-known member
I have yet to see one of these affiliate based production scams--uh, I mean companies--actually pay. TurnHere is a scam, and so are many others..
Best bet is Google AdWords. I spent $1000 on AdWords last year and brought in $1650 in new business, a $650 profit and the $1000 makes a nice tax deduction.
Frankly, the best benefit about videography is that income is always below federal poverty levels, and you have plenty of heavy deductions for equipment. Never pay income tax, legally, as a videographer.. that seems to be the big benefit of this business.
ROFL......so true...
Francois Gand
New member
Hi Morox,
ALL of our shoots worldwide are all tracked in our information systems extremely precisely and are always paid accordingly. Due to governmental regulations, we require all videographers to forward us an invoice for their services wherever they are located worldwide and that invoice is then matched against our information systems for processing. As long as a work order has been officially issued by us and confirmed, filmed and invoiced by you, you will get paid.
In regards to shoot allocation, as I have stated previously, we are fully dependent of our clients' salesforce efforts, results and territorial policies. If they sell where you are located, great, you will most likely get it as long as you can operate technically and professionally as per our exact requirements. If not, no job will be assigned, that simple. Additionally, and we have seen this trend happening in the past couple of years, if you do not own a professional HD camera or HD video-capable DSLR, you will most likely no longer get work orders from us as most assignements now carry a requirement of 720p at absolute minimum. That is an important parameter nowadays yet only one of many that can affect you directly in regards to getting more work from us. If for whatever reason we would not have been satisfied with your work (lack of raw footage as per our contractual requirements, average to poor shots, average to poor sound, disregard of NDA or independent contractor's terms, etc...) then that would also immediately disqualify you from getting any further work from us.
...
I will certainly not talk on behalf of TurnHere, which operates quite differently than ourselves and have its own representatives. As far as ADVIDEO goes, I am its founder and most senior executive, have been in business for 25 years, have some of the largest media and publishing companies in the World as official partners and clients, have handled close to 10,000 productions in my professional career and I can assure you that I have never left a job unpaid behind me as not only is it the absolute basis of what we do, it is also a matter of principle, professionalism and communication.
As indicated, if you have any question or further remark, I am available to assist you directly and can be reached toll-free at 1.800.834.8348 x111.
Thank you very much.
Best Regards,
François
François Gand
B.S.B.A., I.C.S.E., M.C.P.
ADVIDEO - Chairman of the Board of Directors
ALL of our shoots worldwide are all tracked in our information systems extremely precisely and are always paid accordingly. Due to governmental regulations, we require all videographers to forward us an invoice for their services wherever they are located worldwide and that invoice is then matched against our information systems for processing. As long as a work order has been officially issued by us and confirmed, filmed and invoiced by you, you will get paid.
In regards to shoot allocation, as I have stated previously, we are fully dependent of our clients' salesforce efforts, results and territorial policies. If they sell where you are located, great, you will most likely get it as long as you can operate technically and professionally as per our exact requirements. If not, no job will be assigned, that simple. Additionally, and we have seen this trend happening in the past couple of years, if you do not own a professional HD camera or HD video-capable DSLR, you will most likely no longer get work orders from us as most assignements now carry a requirement of 720p at absolute minimum. That is an important parameter nowadays yet only one of many that can affect you directly in regards to getting more work from us. If for whatever reason we would not have been satisfied with your work (lack of raw footage as per our contractual requirements, average to poor shots, average to poor sound, disregard of NDA or independent contractor's terms, etc...) then that would also immediately disqualify you from getting any further work from us.
...
I will certainly not talk on behalf of TurnHere, which operates quite differently than ourselves and have its own representatives. As far as ADVIDEO goes, I am its founder and most senior executive, have been in business for 25 years, have some of the largest media and publishing companies in the World as official partners and clients, have handled close to 10,000 productions in my professional career and I can assure you that I have never left a job unpaid behind me as not only is it the absolute basis of what we do, it is also a matter of principle, professionalism and communication.
As indicated, if you have any question or further remark, I am available to assist you directly and can be reached toll-free at 1.800.834.8348 x111.
Thank you very much.
Best Regards,
François
François Gand
B.S.B.A., I.C.S.E., M.C.P.
ADVIDEO - Chairman of the Board of Directors
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