Chris Santucci
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OK, zooming throughout the dolly-in, I could see that, yeah.
Achieving a slow zoom
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Liam Hall
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It's pretty standard practice to to achieve a more dynamic move on a shorter track, yet retain the shift in perspective to deliver a greater sense of three-dimensional movement.
Darren Levine
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well to address the OP, you could get a slider and combine that with a lens zoom and/or post zoom. wont be as long, but will be dynamic
or if on a budget, ghettosteadi it and get a steering wheel rig and stabilize in post
or if on a budget, ghettosteadi it and get a steering wheel rig and stabilize in post
Liam Hall
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Good luck with that...
Darren Levine
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very constructive
Liam Hall
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Well if you want me to expand....
A slider is the wrong tool for the job and wont work for a shot like the OP has referenced. Firstly, you will see the slider in shot. Secondly, to zoom, focus and push-in will be problematic on a slider - much easier on a dolly. Thirdly, unless the OP is shooting in 4K for 1080 delivery a post zoom will degenerate the footage unnecessarily - same with steading in post. Fourthly, you can't tilt on a post zoom.
Sorry, if my previous comment was curt. It wasn't meant to be hurtful, but I didn't think your advice was the best.
Darren Levine
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no worries at all. that was very constructive.
your points are all accurate, but i reiterate that my suggestions to the OP weren't to match the shot, but to get some of the dynamic movement that he was asking about, and since he didn't specify a budget, and everyone else nailed the proper way of getting it, that only left the lower budget arena to comment on should that be what he would be working with.
the slider/post zoom would achieve the same effect as that shot, but obviously in a far more limited way, no tilt, less distance covered, etc... and for anything i care about the image of, i post crop/zoom up to 15% in 1080, and am very satisfied with the remaining detail. shot matched? no. shot movement dynamic matched? some, yes.
as for the post stabilization, it truely is remarkable how well it works if you understand its limitations. but given this shot, which is slow moving, wide, and doesn't have anything/anyone moving around throughout it, you can get some very seriously nice results from warp stabilizer and surely other variants. and the cropping of such isn't nearly that bad given that it's shot fairly OK to begin with. but to reiterate, would i do this if there was a proper budget? no, i would dolly it. but for anything low/no/run&gun/etc... absolutely.
your points are all accurate, but i reiterate that my suggestions to the OP weren't to match the shot, but to get some of the dynamic movement that he was asking about, and since he didn't specify a budget, and everyone else nailed the proper way of getting it, that only left the lower budget arena to comment on should that be what he would be working with.
the slider/post zoom would achieve the same effect as that shot, but obviously in a far more limited way, no tilt, less distance covered, etc... and for anything i care about the image of, i post crop/zoom up to 15% in 1080, and am very satisfied with the remaining detail. shot matched? no. shot movement dynamic matched? some, yes.
as for the post stabilization, it truely is remarkable how well it works if you understand its limitations. but given this shot, which is slow moving, wide, and doesn't have anything/anyone moving around throughout it, you can get some very seriously nice results from warp stabilizer and surely other variants. and the cropping of such isn't nearly that bad given that it's shot fairly OK to begin with. but to reiterate, would i do this if there was a proper budget? no, i would dolly it. but for anything low/no/run&gun/etc... absolutely.
High Hat.
Not sure how...you still have to have a) a person to focus b) a person to zoom, and c) a person to push the dolly. And if you can link a single follow focus to both focus and zoom at the same time (depending on your aperture of course), you might just get away with it with two people.
Yes, but will it still look okay? Depending on the camera, you can get some leeway with that.
Why not? I know it's not quite the same look, but once you zoom in, you get headroom and can re-frame. Done carefully it might not even be noticeable.
Liam Hall
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Fair play, but look at how far the shot travels in terms of distance and focal length. The quality of this shot is in both of those elements. Lots of ways to do a poor imitation, but that's all it will be.
Liam Hall
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That would have to be a very high hat!
BTW. I have a 3ft cineslider with a high hat. I've also sat on lots of dolly's...
...That sounded bad, did't it?
Yes, you would need an AC and a grip to do the shot properly on a dolly. I thought that was assumed. I also assumed the advice about slider was for single op. So, I'll file that under fair comment.
I've done lots of stabilisation. Depending on the camera/shutter/format it can look great, but to do this particular shot handheld you'd need the real estate of 4k to make a good job of it.
Because you can't. You can rack, but you can't tilt. Two different things.