A simple question about booming; on-axis or lobeing?

Jema

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I recently found myself thinking about this extremely basic question, but when I searched on it I couldn't find much on the subject, and what I found seems to be largely subjective. The question is; where do you actually point the mic?


A year ago I read the introductory book "location audio simplified" by Dean Miles, which was the first time I encountered the concept of lobeing - aiming with the axis at the sternum and not the mouth. Maybe it also goes under a different name, but that's the one I know.

The page can be read here (it also has pictures to clarify)
http://locationaudiosimplified.com/assets/Axis-Lobeing-Sample.pdf


It's a simple concept, and the book makes a clear distinction between loebing on documentary style shoots where it's hard to predict how someone will move, and maybe not on film where it can. Some time after that, I was told by a lecturing sound technician that loebing is how it should be done - aiming a bit in front of the person instead of directly at the mouth, with the explanation that a persons voice is projected out in front of them. This seemed a bit vague to me as it still projects from the mouth, so why not point it there?


Searching on the subject, I also found this article on booming by Colin Hart:
http://www.colinhartonline.com/?p=336

"Aim the microphone at the solarplexis.
Not in the general direction of the talent, not at the talent’s head, mouth, face, etc…
(The solarplexis is basically the sternum area.)
The human voice has many components and emanates from different parts of the body. The deep part of the voice comes from the chest and throat. The mids and some highs come from the mouth and nose, and the high highs come from the skull. Aiming at the solarplexis grabs all of these.
Aiming at the solarplexis also gives you a bigger target. If you aim at the mouth, you have to move the boom with every head movement in order to keep the same frequency response. If you aim at the solarplexis, you have a much larger target, allowing the talent a much larger range of motion without having to follow without having to move the boom as much, all while maintaining a consistent frequency response and overall sound."


About the same thing as the article above is said on this thread:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/archive/index.php/t-69597.html



This makes more sense in explaining why, even if it's mostly based on the subjective opinion that it simply sounds better than aiming at the mouth. I guess this might be because the drop in volume as sound comes from the mouth and skull in by the lobe area instead of on-axis, is compensated by the fact that the mouth and skull is positioned closer to the mic than the chest, thus making the sound more balanced and closer to what we would hear with the mic at the same height as our ears. But then again, maybe not.


So, I understand that this might be an area where different people simply prefer different things, or may adapt according to the situation and level of predictability and movement. I would like to hear though if the general practice for fiction really is to point at the sternum or closer to the mouth.
 
And just after posting I searching a little deeper and found a thread taking it up. The answer from a few professionals being simply "it depends", but many seem to favour being slightly in front of the speaker or aiming a bit lower than the mouth, making it easier to boom and allowing a more vertical angle to minimize changes in background.
http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/12304-boom-techniquemic-position/

Well, if anyone has anything to add on please do so, but I guess I will just have to do some test to see what I like.
 
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I can assume from your posts that you haven't done a lot of booming, have a go at a 4 person chat / interview while walking for a duration of 5 minutes or more, or live to air booming of basket ball coaches in the time out huddles, after you spend considerable time booming in non repeatable shoots the hypotheticals you pose are virtually irrelevant.

Have a look at this clip and ask the question is the boom operator focused on positioning the boom pointing at the talents sternum or just in front of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mPQL9PUI-w
 
"aiming with the axis at the sternum or the mouth"? .
-- If it were only that simple interns and PAs could do it saving production a whole lot of money.
 
I can assume from your posts that you haven't done a lot of booming
I have done some booming. The reason I asked is because it's as both of you say - it's a skill that you don't really think about after a while. When I asked myself the question of "how do I do it" I couldn't give a good answer, so I was just trying to take a step back to analyze it, start a discussion and see if anyone else had any thoughts on this particular aspect. I think it's somewhat similar to the endless discussions on music forums about how you should mic up different acoustic instrument - there are hundreds of ways to do it that can sound good, but there are still some guidelines you can use that get certain results. I was trying to apply that kind of thinking to mic position and aim when booming.

From the somewhat limited information I've found, and judging by your reactions, there doesn't seem to be any "rules" in this case and you adapt to the situation. That more or less answered my question actually.

By the way, I've seen that clip before and it's fun to watch, but I agree with many that it's hard to really judge it when you cannot listen to it. Looks like it could be good though. It's funny to also read different reactions of some pro mixers:
http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/4788-check-out-this-boom-op/


If it were only that simple interns and PAs could do it saving production a whole lot of money.
Yeah, of course there's a lot more to it then that, but then I have gotten some decent sound from a mic on a stand...
Joking aside, I was wondering more as a very general guideline, or if there are any connoisseurs who might prefer one way or the other. I may just be splitting hairs here, but since I was curious I asked.



Thanks for the replies!
 
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The real answer to this one is that it's not really using the polar pattern lobes at all, just the off-axis sound. If you aim at the sternum, then you have a circle around it perhaps 1 foot in radius that apart from the centre, will sound the same no matter where the actual sound source is. So you have over 3 square feets worth of surface area that is the main pickup area. The boom op can work within this area just avoiding the absolute aim to the mic and it will sound the same, reducing the need for frantic and often impossible aiming. If you really were using the lobes, for many mics these are more narrow than the main forward part of the pattern. Missing the mouth by just a few degrees results in the off-axis sound and it's easier to keep this constant than keep the on-axis sound constant. It gives the boom op the chance to change stance, twist around, and boom in and out - things that would never be that accurate aiming for the mouth with a tight accuracy limit.

It's even worse when working outside with a big heavy mic in a zeppelin - where the 'angle of dangle' rarely lets on-mouth aiming work properly. Hand-held, out of shot below can let you be accurate enough for on-axis, but even when you can do this, off-axis seems to me to be more neutral sounding. The editor will need to eq if you change from on to off axis from shot to shot, so adopting a technique that you can keep up for hours works better. Perhaps by physically moving in and out you can keep the mic on-axis, but for how long before your arms get tired? Aiming at the chest and missing it slightly has less impact on the timbre.

I'm not sure that from a distance any of the chest cavity effect can actually be heard although the physics says that there is a chest effect - something lavs can hear, but I'm never sure a more distance boom can.
 
Thanks Paul, that's a very thorough answer. It's good that you could also address the terminology - from your description were thinking about the same "circle" or area around the absolute axis of the mic, and calling it a lobe may not have been very accurate.

It makes sense to me that the true on-axis area might be too small for consistent booming when there's any form of movement involved, including the boom ops own. I've started to learn just how important consistency in the sound from dialogue and background can be in many cases, and the idea of using the wider area is more in line with that.

I think I can hear the chest resonance from some bigger men I've met when listening normally, but you make an interesting point that it might not be picked up much by an overhead boom for people in general. I'll do a tests on myself after the holidays.
 
Fascinating stuff. Thanks for the question Jema, and the answer Paul (and others). So you'd need more gain, but would have an overall more consistent sound. Very interesting, and totally counter-intuitive (going off-axis on purpose for any extended period of time) to those more from the studio/music/live sound reinforcement worlds.

THIS is the kind of thread that I'm always hoping to find when I'm lurking around DVX (not "What's the best Blah-Blah for under $300?" and "Can I use this Music from AC/DC in my latest film?")...

GJ
 
Glad you like it Gregg - nice to know that others also find it interesting.

So you'd need more gain, but would have an overall more consistent sound. Very interesting, and totally counter-intuitive (going off-axis on purpose for any extended period of time) to those more from the studio/music/live sound reinforcement worlds.
Looking at the preferences of the mixers and boomers who have said something on the subject, this does seem to be the case. I suspect though that the actual difference in SPL and tonal quality between perfectly on-axis and maybe 10-30 degrees off (depending on the mic and distance) may be quite small. Otherwise probably none would for instance boom with the mic pointing close to straight down and a bit in front of the actor instead of aiming at the mouth, and we would not be having this discussion since the answer would then be obvious.

Knowing for sure that it really is a small difference would be good as it might help some people with booming and planting mics, and getting a more consistent sound. I've made tests before where I compared different boom angels and distances, but they all used the mouth as a reference point. If I've got some time after new year I'll do some more tests on this.
 
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I always aim slightly ahead of the mouth... which translates to the sternum technique. People move a bit when they talk... especially when sitting... and they'll move past the mic if you aim at the mouth.

If you KNOW (from experience) that the speaker won't do this... then you can get away with on-axis booming... but sure as heck... right on the most important part of the statement they'll lean in for emphasis... and get past the mic.
 
I too agree this discussion is the kind of thing I hope to see each time I visit. From the perspective of a news shooter I have always wondered how a lav mike on a collar or lapel was able to grab enough of the tonality of a voice to sound good. This stuff is good to revisit and get new ideas (new to me anyhow). Thanks!
 
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