A feature length scriptfest... ?????

Nektonic

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Since the mods just recently announced Monsterfest and Scriptfest V, I had a crazy idea. Would it ever be possible to do a feature length scriptfest on here someday? I'm not saying they should go announce one all willy nilly. Obviously waiting at least until the current two 'fests' are complete would be the earliest reasonable time.

Also, the writing time would have to be longer. Scriptfest usually works out to about 4 weeks to write a 6-10 page short screenplay, then about 1.5 weeks to rate and discuss, then another week til the winners are announced. So a total of about 1.5 months for the current scriptfests.

I'm thinking a reasonable amount of writing time for the fest would be 3 to 4 months, then another 1.5 to 2 months to read, rate, and discuss all the entries, due to their length (90-120 pages). So about a 4.5 to 5 month period in total. This is just an estimate too. Maybe 4 months is too long for some and too short for others. I don't know. My reasoning for this approx. 5 month fest period would be so that two feature scriptfests could be held every year. Then again, maybe it is wiser to have only one per year, meaning that we'd all have more writing time and more time to read and rate the scripts.

One thing that I think would need to be different would be the whole idea of a common theme and required element. Past scriptfests, just like the DVX-film fests, have had themes or genres consisting of pursuit, sci-fi, pulp, and western. I think those were great for writing short scripts, because part of the challenge was to work within the theme or the genre's boundaries and limitations. I think that for a feature writing fest, that there should be no limitations on theme or genre. Let's face it, it is a ton of work to complete a well written feature script. I feel it would be unfair to ask writers to limit themselves to a theme on a feature writing endeavor. I'm not saying it wouldn't be beneficial, but since we aren't a cadre of established Hollywood scribes, the little time we have to carve out of our workdays for writing a feature screenplay really shouldn't be limited to a genre we might not want to write in.

So maybe this would make it more of a workshop than a competition, but then again, some of the world's top screenplay competitions don't force their entrants to write in a certain genre or include a specific thematic element or prop. Also, this way there could be a grand prize, as well as genre-specific winners as well.

As for page range limitations, I think 90 to 120 pages, the spec standard, would make perfect sense. What to name the fest? Calling it featurescriptfest is just too long and would confuse it with the current model of scriptfest, so I submit the title of "SpecFest". This makes the most sense to me because those that chose to enter would in essence be writing a spec script. If anyone has better title ideas, please chime in.

Alright, I've went on long enough.

Basically what I'm asking is... would anybody out there in the land of DVXUSER be interested in this concept? If so, just say yey or ney. Feel free to also throw out any ideas on how this would possibly be organized. Then we can alert the mods to this thread and see what they think about it.
 
That'd be nifty, I mean I'm trying to write as much as possible, haha.

I'm hoping to have at least two finished, polished scripts done this year, but I think I'll be able to write a third as well. I could do a fourth but I suspect I'll have other things to do that will be more important for the time being.

I've heard that spec scripts should be 90 to 100 pages if you're not yet an established writer, do you think that's pretty much true? I have just heard that if you're brand new, and you write a script that's 120 pages, it's going to be a tough sell for you unless it's truly brilliant, sort of like how a short film should be maybe 10 to 15 minutes at most, even though technically you can get away with 20, 25 minutes.

There was this script at a certain festival that I won't name where I saw the interview with the writers, and they had written like a 187 page script, I'm not joking, and that was their spec script. I'm just thinking, ok, great that this festival gave you some recognition but don't expect REALITY to reward you for writing a Lord of the Rings length script as new writers. They obviously hadn't outlined too well considering they said they cut it down from even longer.
 
Yeah, I've heard similar stuff about script length. What I've heard is 90 to 110 pages for un-established spec writers. Recently I've also heard that staying in a range of 100 to 105 pages is good because a lot of readers might also look at a 90 pager as too light. Of course, we can't always fit a script exactly into those parameters, but at least it is good to know what Hollywood wants.

I suppose for a SpecFest the range could be 90 to 110. I think a lot of those that would want to enter would cry foul at a 110 page limit, since a lot of people still say 120 is the limit.

Those writers you mentioned that did one that ended up at 187 pages. Holy moly! That's crazy. I suppose if they had a batch of other brilliant scripts that were normal spec length, then its probably not the end of the world to have one that is epic in length. But I definitely wouldn't want to have my first few scripts that I were seeking a sale or representation with be that long.

Funny you mentioned The Lord of the Rings. I used to think that if I wanted to write an epic, then I'd end up with a script of 160 pages or something like that. One day I found the script for The Return of the King online, and even that script was 121 pages, while the movie was three plus hours long, nearly four if you count the extended edition. It even has heavy camera directions included and they still came in about a page over normal spec script length.
 
So I suppose since there is no limiting factor, it is open to any screenplay someone has written - not just one written during the contest period?

I like the idea, just want to clear it up.
 
So I suppose since there is no limiting factor, it is open to any screenplay someone has written - not just one written during the contest period?

I like the idea, just want to clear it up.

Since features take a long time to write in comparison to shorts, I'd say that it should allow scripts written before the official start date.

But the idea would be to give plenty of time for writers of various writing speeds to still at the very least knock out a first or even a rough draft to submit. Kinda like how the scriptfests are now, they egg us on to write something new.
 
It really shouldn't be overly difficult to write some draft of a screenplay in that period of time. I'm working on my second rough draft of a screenplay in just the last two weeks. Granted one I started outlining and thinking up in June, and the other I've had rolling around in my head for a few years, but I didn't start outlining it until Monday and I'm already 25% through the rough draft.

It's the polish that takes a long time. I expect polishing both will take several months at least. Probably more.
 
It really shouldn't be overly difficult to write some draft of a screenplay in that period of time.

Yep. Let's say for the sake of example that the 'writing period' lasts for 4 months. A pretty doable formula works out as:

30 days per month x 1 page per day x 4 months = 120 page script

Yes I know that some months have 31 days while others might have 29, but the basic idea is that anybody should be able to get at least a rough draft done in that time. And all this would require is 1 page per day. 1 page. Everybody can do that.

A better page to time formula would be:

30 days per month x 2 pages per day x 2 months = 120 page script

That would leave another 2 months to fine tune, rewrite, and polish that sucker for the SpecFest. Then use the feedback from the discussion period to make it even better.
 
Everyone really can do that. Unless you're extremely slow at writing, you should be able to do a few pages in a single hour easily. I can write 3-6 pages per hour when I have a good outline. But I don't start until I have about a 10-page, single-spaced outline, and trust me those characters and those events have lived in my head most of the hours of the day and they've played out their roles. When I sit down to write, I'm dumping data onto a page, more or less, I am not gut-wrenchingly pulling out things I never thought would be there. It all flows.

I'm taking a stupid 5 minute break from writing now, but I'm in the middle of what is my greatest writing session so far, so I gotta keep at it, we'll see where it lands. But I started writing a bit at 4 p.m., I was kind of sick (hard to describe quickly) by 6 p.m., so I took a four-hour nap, got up at 10 p.m., have been working since then. I have written a total now of 54 pages in this time span.

If I didn't run out of energy, and god knows I probably will, I could finish a feature-length screenplay in a 24 hour time period, without even working every hour. I've taken occasional food breaks as well. The key is a great outline. I did all of the research for the outline, every statistic, every character nuance, every event and its timeline, and now I'm using that outline to pour the material onto the page. I have to say it's coming along great! Not perfect but I'm really liking it and getting into my characters. Ok back to work!
 
Well I agree that It can be done in a given time frame. I'm just trying to clear up the "rules" as I'm sure someone will come along with a screenplay from 6 years ago that won a bunch of awards and is on it's 10th revision.

So I'm just saying we gotta lay a standard down.. I guess the honesty policy comes into effect.
 
That's a very tough one. I don't see how you prove that you wrote something in a given time frame.

Heck I can't prove what I have been doing all night, except to say... I know, and I'm plugging away ;)
 
what about these requirements:

It is written within the contest time frame or, if it was written before the contest, it was never submitted to any other contests or festivals.
 
You raise some good points Nathan. I think this idea hits the nail on the head:

what about these requirements:

It is written within the contest time frame or, if it was written before the contest, it was never submitted to any other contests or festivals.

One clause to this could be: if the entrant wishes to enter their script in another contest, they may do so only after the official start date (beginning of the writing period) of SpecFest is announced. So if someone wanted to enter a major contest, they wouldn't miss it and have to wait a year just because of SpecFest. At the same time, this would still curtail someone entering with an unfair advantage.

Hopefully the contest will give everyone that enters a good jolt of motivation to write a new screenplay.

Jonathan... 54 pages in one night! I thought I was fast when I knocked out 25 pages once in a single sitting of about 5 hours. Then again, even though I use an outline and have a good deal plotted in advance, I still like to have some sense of not knowing too much. The surprises are fun. So I guess maybe I need the extra time to figure things out a little more along the way as I write. Although, it also depends on the story, genre, and core concept of the script. Sometimes a more rock solid plot is necessary to figure out in advance. It is interesting to hear of everyone's process though. I think if SpecFest ever became a reality, we'd all learn about a lot by discussing our individual writing processes with each other.
 
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The particular reason this had to be so well planned, which I didn't do for the last script (the outline was a good guideline, at best), is because it takes 4 characters' stories and has them interlocking. They all have to take place over roughly the same time period, about February through November (one is a politician, election season is in November, another is a baseball player, so spring training starts in February, playoffs end in October, etc.).

In any case I'm going for broke here dude, haha, I'm at 86 pages! I have about 12-13 before I finish the screenplay. I started at 4 p.m., worked until 6, took a four-hour nap, worked more or less straight (besides these few minute breaks) until present. So provided I finish in the next several hours I'll have written an entire screenplay in a single 24 hour period.

I'm usually not too impressed with myself but right now I'm kind of in awe -- I had this crazy idea to try this about ten days ago, after reading on a forum a guy who wrote 50-60 pages he said in a day. I thought about it a lot, initially thinking that'd be impossible even. Then I thought, well, if I focus extremely intensely and write like a maniac, I bet given a perfect set of circumstances I could write an entire script in a day, if it were outlined to the last detail. So I spent the last week really pounding out the outline.

Ok back to work because seriously I'm at the point of fatigue where I'm getting a bit dizzy.
 
Ok back to work because seriously I'm at the point of fatigue where I'm getting a bit dizzy.

At this rate, keep going before you pass out. You're almost there.

Just don't be surprised if you pass out once you finish, when you wake up and your last page looks like this:

FADE OUT.

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And then you wake up with the pattern of your keyboard on your face.
 
HAHA, that's about right. I've been going way slower near the end. This is actually an intense story, the last one, and I've even been feeling what the character feels as I write it. It's weird. I haven't had that happen before...

Rome may not have been built in a day, but this screenplay will have been! Come hell or high water it's getting done.
 
A feature-length scriptfest? That's an awful lot of work to ask from an all-volunteer unpaid moderator panel. Even if you speedread, you're still going to spend a couple of hours with each script, and if we get a hundred entries... that's more than three weeks of full-time reading. Just for the screeners to see if the script qualifies. Then you'd be asking the membership to download and read a hundred full-length scripts, committing three weeks of full-time effort on their parts...

... I just don't see how this could be practical.

If you wanted it to run like a conventional screenwriting contest and not like a "fest", where we had to charge entry fees and use that to pay readers to select finalists, then we could consider that, sure. But I don't see how it would be practical to administer a full-length feature screenplay contest in our current DVXFest format.
 
If you have a great feature script, shop it. If it is truly great it'll get optioned and then when greenlit, you'll get your first taste of glory!
 
A feature-length scriptfest? That's an awful lot of work to ask from an all-volunteer unpaid moderator panel. Even if you speedread, you're still going to spend a couple of hours with each script, and if we get a hundred entries... that's more than three weeks of full-time reading. Just for the screeners to see if the script qualifies. Then you'd be asking the membership to download and read a hundred full-length scripts, committing three weeks of full-time effort on their parts...

... I just don't see how this could be practical.

Some good points Barry. I agree, the time for the reading and reviewing stage might be the thing that sinks this ship. I guess if it ever happened that aspect of the fest would need to be done differently than the current model for ScriptFest.

My original thinking here was that not nearly as many would enter due to a feature script being a much more daunting and time consuming task than writing a 6 to 10 page short. So if we only had say, 12 to 15 people enter, then it wouldn't be so bad. Also, the reading period would be longer as well, maybe even make that part flexible from each SpecFest to the next, depending on the number of entries each time out.

However, you are right, if there were a lot of entries, it would just not work.

Maybe at the beginning, doing the first 10 pages of a feature could alleviate the time burden. Everyone enters their first 10 pages. Then have a reviewing period and then at the end of that, everyone votes with the 5 star rating system already in place. The screenplays with the best first 10 pages are then narrowed down into a list of maybe 5 to 7 of the top scoring ones. A second reading and rating period would then commence, where everyone would read those the entire screenplays of those 5 to 7 that won the first leg of the contest, and then vote again. The highest scoring of this second vote would be narrowed down to the top 3 winners.

It would still be beneficial for everyone in that they would get feedback on their first 10 pages. The reality with Hollywood script readers is that unless they're riveted by the writing before they hit that tenth page, they usually don't continue. So this would be a practical way for the writers here to get a taste of the reality of how things really work.

If you have a great feature script, shop it. If it is truly great it'll get optioned and then when greenlit, you'll get your first taste of glory!

I agree.

The whole point of a SpecFest would be so that we could get feedback on our scripts and frankly, the other ScriptFests were fun. I think this could be too.
 
If this doesn't pan out, I think it'd be fun to do it anyway. We could just make a thread and share our experiences writing a feature-length spec script in a set amount of time with each other. Then, we could just peer edit each others' scripts and have a final poll or something to announce winners. We could just leave the mods out of it (of course, I'm sure we'd still let them participate :P ).

I've yet to write a feature-length screenplay, so I'd personally love something like this to give me a little shove.
 
Over at DoneDealPro.com they came up with their first full feature contest:

http://messageboard.donedealpro.com/boards/showthread.php?t=45867

The guy who ran it is: http://scriptshadow.blogspot.com/

He can devour scripts like you've never seen. I say keep a look-out for the next fest because he wants to do this again and the top prize winner will get a meeting with an agent.

For this forum to have a full script contest it would be near impossible unless you had a professional script reader heading the fest.
 
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