No one said that. All anyone said was that if you're telling me you're giving me fried chicken, I'd appreciate it if you didn't bring me chicken and dumplings instead.
5 Urgent Questions About the Live-Action Akira Remake
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No one said that. All anyone said was that if you're telling me you're giving me fried chicken, I'd appreciate it if you didn't bring me chicken and dumplings instead.
vcassel
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If I were to continue with that false analogy, I could say that the anime was fried chicken to the manga's roasted chicken. The idea that Akira's particulars are sacred is dubious from the get-go.
It's not false simply because you say it's false. (Besides, the movie was quite faithful to the manga.) If prepare chicken in a certain way, it's no longer fried chicken, no matter what you choose to call it -- and no matter who else says "meh, it's all good. It's still chicken."
If it doesn't matter to you, then it doesn't. But it matters to others, and they're not wrong for it mattering to them.
If it doesn't matter to you, then it doesn't. But it matters to others, and they're not wrong for it mattering to them.
vcassel
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Would you prefer I called it by the less common 'weak analogy', because it certainly is.
Um, you've read the manga, right? Quite a few differences. And these are evident, not based on conjecture.
That's the thing, I'm all for opinion, but I'm of the opinion that there isn't enough information to have a valid one yet. So far it's all been conjecture and a misplaced sense of fan entitlement. It's in development (maybe), there's no telling what they'll go into production with.
S. Matthews
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There are fundamental difference between american and japanse society. Let alone the world in Akira is an even more drastic take on japanse society and that is the main aspect of the underlying issues in the story. No matter how you cut it changing the setting effects that drastically. Now if they are to create an exaggerated version of American society, within a future world I could almost see liking that (if done well and that would be a great accomplishment in itself). The problem is like all other Manga and Comic adaptations I feel they are going to try and ground it more than it's source material and make it more based in the real world (which I hate but that is just me).
Now this is just my opinion and it is based mostly on the feeling I have got from this project. But who knows i could be totally off base this could be the first live action Manga adaptation to actually work.
Oh and there have been some successful adaptations, not monetarily(maybe 300), or to most even quality films, but it can not be denied that they were fantastic adaptations. The watchmen was very well done(and proved you don't have to change the original costumes to make them look "cool"), as was 300 (was a graphic movie if there ever was one) and sin city with many frames right out of the book and the artist and writer was one of the co-directors on the film (there are others just can't think of them now). Some use these (not 300 it got a kind of big) as an example for why they need to change the stories for the general populace but that is where I think they are wrong, these were dark gritty stories not made for the whole world to be able to read, there are plenty of pop corn comics and family friendly comics as well. it just seems we tend to make those even more family friendly which usually translates to unbearable campyness.
We are all entitled to our opinions but that does not make them right and others wrong(or the other way round), that is why they are called our opinions and not fact.
Have a good one!
Now this is just my opinion and it is based mostly on the feeling I have got from this project. But who knows i could be totally off base this could be the first live action Manga adaptation to actually work.
Oh and there have been some successful adaptations, not monetarily(maybe 300), or to most even quality films, but it can not be denied that they were fantastic adaptations. The watchmen was very well done(and proved you don't have to change the original costumes to make them look "cool"), as was 300 (was a graphic movie if there ever was one) and sin city with many frames right out of the book and the artist and writer was one of the co-directors on the film (there are others just can't think of them now). Some use these (not 300 it got a kind of big) as an example for why they need to change the stories for the general populace but that is where I think they are wrong, these were dark gritty stories not made for the whole world to be able to read, there are plenty of pop corn comics and family friendly comics as well. it just seems we tend to make those even more family friendly which usually translates to unbearable campyness.
We are all entitled to our opinions but that does not make them right and others wrong(or the other way round), that is why they are called our opinions and not fact.
Have a good one!
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Either way, it's still not. They're calling it one thing, and as presented in the article linked at the beginning, they're making it into something quite different.
Look, grilled chicken with barbecue sauce may still be delicious, but it's not fried chicken. If you want fried chicken, it isn't going to do.
In the ways necessary to make a six-volume manga series into a 2-hour movie, sure. The latter part of the story goes into a bit of a different direction, but hardly moreso than needed in order to make the movie work in the time it has. And the fundamentals are the same, just as the fundamentals of Watchmen were the same even though the ending was changed.
This thread is based on what's reported in the article in the OP, and pretty much all reactions are based on that. As in, if it ends up as presented in the article . . .
That's enough to go on for the basis of this thread.
And when you talk about "misplaced sense of fan entitlement," then you're telling people they're wrong for wanting to have a (much) more faithful adaption. So, I'm sorry, v, but if there's a "bizarre notion," it's that. Fans are fans because they like it for what it is, not what a studio thinks will draw in a larger audience. As such, they take a negative view toward being p*ssed on and told it's raining -- and you're telling them it's raining.
I mean, the studio does expect the fan base to pony up and form the core of the audience, don't they? Otherwise, why would they be interested in the property in the first place?
Jawa Ex Machina
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I thought they did some major reconstructing on the costumes in Watchmen...
S. Matthews
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you are right it should read ".. you don't have to change the original costumes drastically...". I just want more of using the old school full out costume look rather than the military style leather vests or toned down more realistic costumes, especially in the old reels of the old heroes they looked great in retro suits not stupid as some would have guessed. I'm addressing the X-men costume changes (wolverine) the green lantern changes (that I have grown to like now) even the green goblin in spiderman, in one of my editions of cinefex they show a more traditional goblin mask they were testing that looks amazing (now the functionality of having it be a real movable face with full and normal facial reactions would be next to impossible within a budget so I can understand the change).
Yeah so to sum it up it's less about slight changes it's more about them wearing costumes in the first place and how often, it comes down to making an action movie or a comic movie, and for the most part they have made action movies and not comic movies(good for the bottom line, bad for artistic integrity in my opinion).
Yeah so to sum it up it's less about slight changes it's more about them wearing costumes in the first place and how often, it comes down to making an action movie or a comic movie, and for the most part they have made action movies and not comic movies(good for the bottom line, bad for artistic integrity in my opinion).
vcassel
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We have no idea what sort of chicken...er...listen, forget the chicken because it's starting to sound silly; we have no idea what kind of film this is going to be. I checked out the original article and went through a chain of links to sources and I can't find one ounce of verifiable, substantial information released by the studio other than the Hughes Brothers were attached and that it was being brought to us by Appian Way and Warner Brothers. Various articles reference an early draft of a script that may or may not real. Maybe somebody can double check for me in case I've missed something, but whether this film is served with baked beans or wasabi soybeans, it's all just rumor mongering for now.
No, I'm telling them they're wrong for prejudging and bashing a film before having concrete evidence to do so. I've said that many times; I feel you're glossing over that.
Perhaps you'd like to clear up how it is I'm telling them it's raining. It seems to me they're gearing up for a hurricane without access to The Weather Channel.
No. All due respect to the manga and anime, it wasn't a box office success in Japan and, for all intents and purposes, considered a cult hit internationally. It's far from a runaway sensation and it's a twenty year old property. I doubt a core fan base is substantial enough to carry the box office.
This is the same attitude you get from comic book fans. Sells are hardly stellar for even the most popular Marvel comic--with a top seller like Avengers topping out at the high thousands each month--, yet comic fans are somehow under the impression that they must be pleased and that the film adaptation should fulfill their expectations based on the source material in order for the film to be a success. I'll call that a 'sense of entitlement', sure, because it is.
English Madman
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If Hollywood IS going to make Akira, it has to be set in JAPAN, end of story. ANy big change like that then its instantly becomes NOT Akira. Why dont they just admit that they like Akira but want to make an America version. If thats so, then it cant be called Akira, it will be called something entirely different, with white actors and set in crappy New York or LA like they usually do.
THey should call it 'A bit like Akira', or, 'we cant be bothered to make an authentic Akira so we'll just rip it off and base it loosely on Akira and get credit for it'.
If the live adaption never goes through...then.....awesome. I'd rather than happens. Because I wanna make the live adaption some day lol.
THey should call it 'A bit like Akira', or, 'we cant be bothered to make an authentic Akira so we'll just rip it off and base it loosely on Akira and get credit for it'.
If the live adaption never goes through...then.....awesome. I'd rather than happens. Because I wanna make the live adaption some day lol.
The issue is Hollywood cant make Akira. You can not take something written form 1 cultural perspective and then flop that over to another culture and expect to resemble the feeling intended in the original piece. Manga and Anime have differences - but both come from a Japanese cultural perspective and more importantly thats what was preserved - the characters, their way of life and their emotional and cultural make up.
But, Hollywood will most likely make Akira, stomp all over the original story, have lots of explosions and fast paced actions scenes with mind numbing dialogue and BAM huge hit.
EDIT: I dont mean Hollywood as in America (or that Hollywood is somehow metaphorical for the US)- I mean it as Hollywood, the machine.
But, Hollywood will most likely make Akira, stomp all over the original story, have lots of explosions and fast paced actions scenes with mind numbing dialogue and BAM huge hit.
EDIT: I dont mean Hollywood as in America (or that Hollywood is somehow metaphorical for the US)- I mean it as Hollywood, the machine.
Dude. The topic of the thread is what it'll be according to the article. Yes, yes we CAN discuss that.
vcassel
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Um, we are, David. Opinion runs both ways.
No, v -- you're saying there's nothing to go on, so there's nothing to complain about.
This is actually getting pretty silly, so, do whatever. Noel, in my opinion, has it right, as do several others in the thread. Disagree if you like, but it's absolutely a valid point of view which does not, in fact, come from some misplaced sense of entitlement.
I'm out.
This is actually getting pretty silly, so, do whatever. Noel, in my opinion, has it right, as do several others in the thread. Disagree if you like, but it's absolutely a valid point of view which does not, in fact, come from some misplaced sense of entitlement.
I'm out.
vcassel
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I'm saying this...
It's the mechanics of debate.
Well, now it certainly is. You seem to be taking my contrary opinion personally; it's not my intent. I've tried to remain rather objective in my stance; I'd rather it not devolve into a personal grudge match.
My apologies.