4k TV at €25,000

androbot2084 said:
So what is wrong with an apple 2560x1600 cinema display?
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Well it's neither a TV nor 4k.

Anyway the reason I bring it up is - the negative vibes I read from the latest batch of camera releases that it doesn't have 4k capabilities, 4k is still a long way away.
As many people have mentioned 4k benefits are only visible for cinema display or very demanding post production for VFX etc. (not a necessity but it does make like easier)

Mr Roger Deakins is shooting Skyfall on an Alexa. A project that will definitely be aired on the big screen and have tons of special FX.
 
There'll be people that buy it - and most of them not even aware to this day of the difference between the 1080 or 720 broadcasts they currently get.
 
A 2560 x 1440 monitor may not be 4K but it can give you an idea of what 4k looks like at a very affordable price. 4k is already available on You Tube and next year we could have a 4k Blu-Ray specification.
 
androbot2084 said:
A 2560 x 1440 monitor may not be 4K but it can give you an idea of what 4k looks like at a very affordable price. 4k is already available on You Tube and next year we could have a 4k Blu-Ray specification.
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2560x1440 is nowhere near 4k. it gives you an idea more of what 1080p looks like..? 2560 is much closer to 1920 than it is to 3840 or indeed 4096..
 
Noel Evans said:
There'll be people that buy it - and most of them not even aware to this day of the difference between the 1080 or 720 broadcasts they currently get.
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...How right you are, in the UK my supplier (Sky HD) only broadcasts in 720P and/or 1080i depending on the channel. It's only when I stick on a Blu Ray that 1080P is ever used.


Anyhow, the other reason I bring it up is, I may be wrong but I don't think people understand just how much infrastructure is required to get 4k into our lives - it's a huge ask!

And People demanding 4K might not have thought though about how muscular their work stations are going to need to be to be able to ingest, edit, manipulate and output 4k files.

As someone who works mainly in After Effects I'm used to working, rendering then re-working and adjusting to client needs. I think the BMCC camera has given people a slight insight into the stop-start work flows which I deal with on a daily basis and I think it'll give people a similar when shock when 4K files become available for you to have a play around.
 
No use in borrowing money for a 4K camera just to be on the bleeding edge of technology. By the time I save up for a 4K camera the format will be a lot more mainstream. I think 4k will be more popular than 3D.
 
Once 4K is actually somewhat mainstream, won't the 4K cameras from that era be both:

A) much cheaper
B) much better

The idea of future proofing seems a bit pointless with how quickly camera technology is improving.
 
that TV is not even 4k. It's quad HD. And, by the time 4k is available for purchase at Costco, 4k cameras will be better, cheaper, smaller, and did I say better? Future proof is a marketing keyword. Consumer 4k over broadcast is YEARS away.
 
I think the big leap was from SD to 720p and from small sensors to big ones. What is left now are evolutionary steps - important ones, yes. But sometimes overvalued.
 
dustylense said:
that TV is not even 4k. It's quad HD. And, by the time 4k is available for purchase at Costco, 4k cameras will be better, cheaper, smaller, and did I say better? Future proof is a marketing keyword. Consumer 4k over broadcast is YEARS away.
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Agreed. It is basically going to be HD and Blu-ray all over again.

I remember back during the last format war, HD DVD and Blu-ray players debuted at approx. $800-1000 new. That was 2006. Then I think in 2007 the cheapest you could get into it was with the Xbox HD DVD player, which required that you already own an Xbox 360 to connect it to. Even then the XB360 HD player still cost about $200-150 and there weren't many movies out on either format yet anyways. I also recall not that many people had HD cable/satellite five years ago, even if they owned a big flatscreen plasma or LCD. Then of course most people just up-converted their DVDs until all the HD DVD vs Blu-ray nonsense was figured out and prices dropped. So if we use that as a basic example, 4K probably won't be the new standard for about 5 years, maybe more. I'm guessing more like 6-7 years for 4K to really grab a foothold because as joe says...

joe 1008 said:
I think the big leap was from SD to 720p and from small sensors to big ones. What is left now are evolutionary steps - important ones, yes. But sometimes overvalued.
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That is kind of how I'm feeling now. People might move towards 4K displays and then up-convert their 1080p Blu-ray content until a reasonably priced 4K delivery format is available. That could still be about four years from now. Then again, 4K might be a more complicated beast. Are we going to see 3D 4K at higher frame rates being pushed by people like James Cameron and Dennis Trumbull, both of whom favor the whole 60fps idea and 3D. Or is it going to be just regular 2D 4K? Maybe another type of format war could be brewing with 4K? If so, then it will take a lot longer to get going on a large scale.

I suppose we might not see a 4K disc format, but have all 4K on demand or something like that with Comcast/Netflix. Then again, how much wiring and broadcasting gear needs to be redone and upgraded for reliable 4K broadcast? If they still can't do full 1080p now...?
 
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Could we please let go of the 4k stuff for a while? The industry had to rush from 720 to 1080 before anything was settled and now I am hearing 4k more and more. This just drives "normal" people to throw their hands up in the air and stay with DVD. Who cares other than major cinema release folks? Seriously!
 
What we are seeing is that budget companies like Westinghouse and Vizio are getting in the 4K arena and by next year we may see 4k televisions sold at Costco for as little as $5000. I think 4K will be far more successful than 3D if these televisions are showcased with native 4K content rather than uprezzed material. Satellite companies promise to broadcast 4K by 2016 but this could be fast tracked. It will take at least a year for companies to agree on a 4K Blu-Ray standard. In the meantime internet downloads may be the only way to get 4K.
 
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