24pa

KingVidiot

KingVidiot

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I know it's been beaten to death, but I'm still wondering if there is any point to using 24pa other than for "film out." That seems to be the general consensus.

Is this still true?

It sounds like 24pa is also a little more "stroby" than 24p normal, so that seem to be a strike against it on the digital-only side.
 
I only shoot in 24pa and if you are currently a premiere pro user (not 6.5) than i suggest you do the same. 24p normal is not supported in pro (it captures 24p normal as 24p not 29.97 for some reason and also causes a strobing effect.) If you capture using 24pa then you have the option of making a 24p dvd which will give you more room on the dvd to either up the quality or fit more contents. Also it gives you the option of a film out eventually and decreases rending times. The only problem with using 24pa is that in order ot view it properly on a ntsc monitor you must convert it in post to 24p normal or 29.97 whihc premiere pro doesnt have any support for currently (so you can make vhs copies or mini-dv copies that will be viewable on a monitor properly) Bottom line if you are using premiere pro and are not planning on switching but stil need to use 24p, use 24pa and if you need to make something other than a dvd import your 24p finished contents into either after effects or an nle that support 24p normal like final cut and than ad the normal pulldown.
 
KingVidiot said:
Is this still true?
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No, and it has never been true. That notion has been propagated by people who don't know what they're talking about.

24PA/24PN is irrelevant to whether you plan on outputting to film (or DVD or VHS or any other format). The question is: how will you edit it?

If you intend to edit using a 24P-native editor, on a 24P timeline, then you shoot 24PA -- no questions asked.

Otherwise, you shoot 24P Normal.

That's the only variable someone needs to consider when making the decision.
 
Barry_Green said:
If you intend to edit using a 24P-native editor, on a 24P timeline, then you shoot 24PA -- no questions asked.
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A silly question: in which (only) cases it needs to be edit on 24P timeline?
 
The only reason to shoot 24p Normal is if you're using consumer editing software such as Windows Movie Maker, Premeire Elements, Movie Studio by Vegas, Final Cut Express, etc. 24p Normal creates files those programs can understand.

A couple of years ago when no affordable desktop applications supported 23.976Fps editing, users had to shoot 24P Normal as it was the only way to get files they could edit on their personal systems. Or, they could choose to shoot 24P Advanced and cut online on an Avid suite for $150 an hour.

That was then.

Today, all professional desktop applications (Premeire Pro, Vegas - the full version, Final Cut Pro, Avid, etc.) natively support 23.976Fps capture and editing timelines. (i.e. - 24P Advanced) so if you have pro software, then you should shoot in 24P Advanced.

It's simple to convert 24P Advanced to 24P Normal.
It's very difficult to go the other way around, using most systems. (Vegas is the exception).
 
Another time to shoot 24PN is if you aren't going to be the one doing the editing. If you're a shooter for hire, and you don't know how the footage will be edited, you'd probably be safer to shoot 24PN, which will give a slightly smoother playback motion signature than 24PA will.

Other than that, if you have access to a 24P-native editor, 24PA is the preferable mode to shoot in.
 
yup, all the most recent versions of vegas, premiere, avid, fcp support 24p native. Keep in mind that Premiere pro 1.0 does not! Ppro 1.5 added this feature for 24PA, but now doesnt support 24PN, Grrr. I'm switching to vegas now.
 
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