24p - through to dvd

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Marny

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Hey folks, sorry to post a 'new' thread that probably exists somewhere already, but after gettig interested in the DVX, and 24p I've looked up all the info I can from these forums. Through doing this, my knowledge has some gaping holes in it, maybe someone can clarify it to me?

Basically I want to shoot in 24p, or 24pA, to get a 'real film look', and end up with a DVD reflecting that. It seems that only certain NLE can handle this technique, Premiere pro 1.5, Avid xpress pro, or Vegas. (Im a PC guy). I assume that by using these, pref Premiere, I can burn a DVD looking like film and view it anywhere. I get the impression I'm missing something here from what Ive read, and since this is a learning curve for me, I keep coming across new surprises!

Are there any obstacles I am not seeing here?

I'd appreciate any help, thanks!
 
You will find that this has been covered here on a number of occasions.

I use Premiere Pro and Encore to make progressive, anamorphic DVDs all the time. There are a number of very specific steps that you will need to follow to get the best results, but once you gain a bit of experience, you'll have no problem. As for shooting 24P versus 24Pa, assuming that you are going to be using a NLE that can work with advanced pull down, there is no reason to shoot normal 24p.
 
Yeah I know it's been covered, too much to search thru! lol

Premiere pro 1.5 is my NLE of choice, but is encore essential to the 24pa burning? If I edit at 24pa, would it not automatically burn it to dvd at 24pa?

I think you're right with needing experience, then I wont be so much out of my league here!
 
You can burn a DVD directly from within Premiere, but it lacks any ability to develop menus and has only limited chapter support. If you don't need these capabilities, then you don't have to get Encore (though it is a pretty good authoring package for the price). There isn't really such a thing as a 24pa DVD, the answer is no, it won't "...automatically burn it to a dvd at 24pa".

What you can do with an NTSC disc is use a GOP structure that supports frame repeat, this means that it won't unnecessarily encode the repeated frame (3:2 or 3:2:2:3), rather it will use a frame repeat flag to fit the 24 frame GOP (actually 23.976) into the 29.97 NTSC MPEG2 structure of a DVD. This has two real advantages. The first is that your playing time will increase for the same DVD type (DVD 5 or DVD 9) so if you are up against the old bit budget, you'll now have some extra space to work with. The second and more important part is that you can get better looking discs from the same bit rate (more true for VBR projects). Just pick the proper settings (GOP, PAR, etc) and you will get a great looking disc.

There are a lot of choices for the encoder, so when you get to the point of actually needing to burn a disc, post the specifics of your project and I or someone else here can give you a few tips on the configuration.
 
I just noticed, your in the UK. Are you interested in 24p and NTSC or 25p and PAL? There is a difference, so my post from above may not apply to your situation.
 
Yeah that will be appreciated. I basically want to make my films look like films, not holiday videos! Therefore whichever NLE I buy, I want to get it right. Encore may come later, you're not the first person who praises it but I do like Adobe products. It just gets too complicated if you let it! :huh:
 
Hi mate I was going to say that NTSC may not apply as I will be working with PAL at 25p, on a DVX100B. I should have specified, but I thought the principle would be the same.
 
The basic difference is that 25p PAL projects don't use pull down. You can just open a 25p project and you are good to go. Otherwise, the basic concepts still apply.
 
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