Don't worry. I know that Premiere Pro won't edit in 24p. My question is, is it necessary to edit in 24p if you plan on it going back to video? If I shoot in 24p and then remove the pull down with AE, then edit it. Wont I have to just add it back when I make a DVD, or put it to tape? So shooting 24p will give the same results as just shooting 30i if I am going back to tape, right? Or am I way way off...
24p Question...
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Re: 24p Question...
shooting 24p will make the video look different.. because you get different motion rendering.. more filmic. anyhow you could author a 24p dvd if you wanted, and the dvd player would automatically do a telecine . but ppro does edit 24p. it just cant do the pulldown from the 29.976 material its encoded into by the dvx. so youve got to use AE or dv filmaker to do that, and then edit the 24p stuff. but yes for vhs or any ntsc stuff sides the progressive dvd, it nees to be set back to 29.976. but if your going to stay in the ntsc realm, and have no chance of filmout, use the 24pn method. and that will give you the 24p motion , and be pretelecined to ntsc by the cam for you as smooth as possible .
shooting 24p will make the video look different.. because you get different motion rendering.. more filmic. anyhow you could author a 24p dvd if you wanted, and the dvd player would automatically do a telecine . but ppro does edit 24p. it just cant do the pulldown from the 29.976 material its encoded into by the dvx. so youve got to use AE or dv filmaker to do that, and then edit the 24p stuff. but yes for vhs or any ntsc stuff sides the progressive dvd, it nees to be set back to 29.976. but if your going to stay in the ntsc realm, and have no chance of filmout, use the 24pn method. and that will give you the 24p motion , and be pretelecined to ntsc by the cam for you as smooth as possible .
scharky
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We'll your, kind of right, and wrong. there are two types of 24p available to you from the dvx. 24pa and 24pN. You can edit the 24pn footage just fine with premiere, except that you might see some artifacts as premiere will not remove the pulldown. Basically 24pn footage is telecined 60i footage. It has the look of 24fps video, however it already has been "telecined" for video. Now, 24pa footage is different. After you remove the pulldown with after effects, or I would really recomend Dv film maker, you can edit the "true" 24fps video with premiere, just make sure that you set it to 24fps Progressive scan when setting up your project. When going back out to tape, that is where you will run into problems. Unfortunatly with premiere, it cannot telecine the footage from 24fps to the NTSC standard, therefore you must bring the whole rendered project back into DV film maker and have it insert the pulldown once more into your footage, making 60i once again, with the 24p cadence. Now going out to dvd is the good part, as no addition processing is needed, just making a 24fps progressive scan Mpeg2. Unfortunatly from what I have found in premiere is that you can't have 24P as an mpeg2 option. It alway highlites "interlaced" when you select a frame rate of 23.976 or 24 for export, and won't let you change it. There fore, you will have to use a third party app like T-mpeg to make your 24p dvd, again, unfortunatly, t-mpeg won't let you import quicktime files, which is really the only way you can export a 24p project as the microsoft dv codec won't let you have a progressive 24fps file. So there your stuck, I'm sure however that someone has been able to do this in the past and maybe they can shed some light on the situation. I on the otherhand stick to vegas, where all of the pulldown export to 24p dvd as well as export to tape is handled within the program.
We'll your, kind of right, and wrong. there are two types of 24p available to you from the dvx. 24pa and 24pN. You can edit the 24pn footage just fine with premiere, except that you might see some artifacts as premiere will not remove the pulldown. Basically 24pn footage is telecined 60i footage. It has the look of 24fps video, however it already has been "telecined" for video. Now, 24pa footage is different. After you remove the pulldown with after effects, or I would really recomend Dv film maker, you can edit the "true" 24fps video with premiere, just make sure that you set it to 24fps Progressive scan when setting up your project. When going back out to tape, that is where you will run into problems. Unfortunatly with premiere, it cannot telecine the footage from 24fps to the NTSC standard, therefore you must bring the whole rendered project back into DV film maker and have it insert the pulldown once more into your footage, making 60i once again, with the 24p cadence. Now going out to dvd is the good part, as no addition processing is needed, just making a 24fps progressive scan Mpeg2. Unfortunatly from what I have found in premiere is that you can't have 24P as an mpeg2 option. It alway highlites "interlaced" when you select a frame rate of 23.976 or 24 for export, and won't let you change it. There fore, you will have to use a third party app like T-mpeg to make your 24p dvd, again, unfortunatly, t-mpeg won't let you import quicktime files, which is really the only way you can export a 24p project as the microsoft dv codec won't let you have a progressive 24fps file. So there your stuck, I'm sure however that someone has been able to do this in the past and maybe they can shed some light on the situation. I on the otherhand stick to vegas, where all of the pulldown export to 24p dvd as well as export to tape is handled within the program.
scharky
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Re: 24p Question...
Yes, it can burn it, if you import the encoded 24p file from something else, however, Neither premiere nor Encore allow you to encode a 24p mpeg. You can select 24fps as the cadence however, the Progressive/interlaced mode is then grayed out and defaults to interlaced. I have not been able to change that. Very frustrating.
Yes, it can burn it, if you import the encoded 24p file from something else, however, Neither premiere nor Encore allow you to encode a 24p mpeg. You can select 24fps as the cadence however, the Progressive/interlaced mode is then grayed out and defaults to interlaced. I have not been able to change that. Very frustrating.
Re: 24p Question...
From my experience all you have to do is export your file as a 24p avi from premiere. You list it as a microsoft video file, and export it with no compression. Then you can take it into Encore and it will ask you if you wish to create a 24 progressive scan DVD. If I am wrong please let me know but that is how it has worked for me.
From my experience all you have to do is export your file as a 24p avi from premiere. You list it as a microsoft video file, and export it with no compression. Then you can take it into Encore and it will ask you if you wish to create a 24 progressive scan DVD. If I am wrong please let me know but that is how it has worked for me.
scharky
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Re: 24p Question...
YOu have to export an uncompressed 24p avi from premiere.!!!
That may work if your doing a 1-5min short, but what about, say a 45min wedding or an hr. long short film? even a half hour. YOur looking at 100-200GB files. Again, this is why I have been using Vegas for all of my 24P needs. It just takes all of the hassels that I had with Premiere out of the picture. It's simple. capture from cam(24p) edit in native(24P)export as mpeg(24p) or as a Ntsc-dv compressed avi with (24p pulldown) or a true (24p) quicktime. It's just that simple.
YOu have to export an uncompressed 24p avi from premiere.!!!
That may work if your doing a 1-5min short, but what about, say a 45min wedding or an hr. long short film? even a half hour. YOur looking at 100-200GB files. Again, this is why I have been using Vegas for all of my 24P needs. It just takes all of the hassels that I had with Premiere out of the picture. It's simple. capture from cam(24p) edit in native(24P)export as mpeg(24p) or as a Ntsc-dv compressed avi with (24p pulldown) or a true (24p) quicktime. It's just that simple.
Re: 24p Question...
[quote author=scharky link=board=Premier;num=1079103350;start=0#6 date=03/23/04 at 07:15:07]YOu have to export an uncompressed 24p avi from premiere.!!!
That may work if your doing a 1-5min short, but what about, say a 45min wedding or an hr. long short film? even a half hour. YOur looking at 100-200GB files. Again, this is why I have been using Vegas for all of my 24P needs. It just takes all of the hassels that I had with Premiere out of the picture. It's simple. capture from cam(24p) edit in native(24P)export as mpeg(24p) or as a Ntsc-dv compressed avi with (24p pulldown) or a true (24p) quicktime. It's just that simple.[/quote]
what are you talking about? all of the exported avi files I get out of premiere are about 13GB an hour.
[quote author=scharky link=board=Premier;num=1079103350;start=0#6 date=03/23/04 at 07:15:07]YOu have to export an uncompressed 24p avi from premiere.!!!
That may work if your doing a 1-5min short, but what about, say a 45min wedding or an hr. long short film? even a half hour. YOur looking at 100-200GB files. Again, this is why I have been using Vegas for all of my 24P needs. It just takes all of the hassels that I had with Premiere out of the picture. It's simple. capture from cam(24p) edit in native(24P)export as mpeg(24p) or as a Ntsc-dv compressed avi with (24p pulldown) or a true (24p) quicktime. It's just that simple.[/quote]
what are you talking about? all of the exported avi files I get out of premiere are about 13GB an hour.
Re: 24p Question...
TylerGred - Just shoot 24p normal, capture and edit just like you would for 60I. No need to be concerned with pulldowns as your going back to tape. 30p is not at all like 24p normal in any regard. If you need to shoot in any other mode, 60I is all your should use for tape out.
brain - ALL DVD authoring programs will burn 24p DVDs unless they re-encode your MPEG2 files. The pulldown flags are part of the encode process and 24fps MPEGs with flags look to every DVD authoring program the same as 29.97 fps MPEG2s.
Intermediate encodes should, if at all possible, use either a lossless codac such as huffyuv or no compression at all. A nice alternate for encoding 24 fps footage into 24 fps MPEG2 (in the PC environment) is TMPGEnc Plus 2.5. It will actually do a better encode and will also allow you to use pulldown flags for 24p DVD authoring. It also has a number of options and filters which you may find useful.
-Rodger
TylerGred - Just shoot 24p normal, capture and edit just like you would for 60I. No need to be concerned with pulldowns as your going back to tape. 30p is not at all like 24p normal in any regard. If you need to shoot in any other mode, 60I is all your should use for tape out.
brain - ALL DVD authoring programs will burn 24p DVDs unless they re-encode your MPEG2 files. The pulldown flags are part of the encode process and 24fps MPEGs with flags look to every DVD authoring program the same as 29.97 fps MPEG2s.
Intermediate encodes should, if at all possible, use either a lossless codac such as huffyuv or no compression at all. A nice alternate for encoding 24 fps footage into 24 fps MPEG2 (in the PC environment) is TMPGEnc Plus 2.5. It will actually do a better encode and will also allow you to use pulldown flags for 24p DVD authoring. It also has a number of options and filters which you may find useful.
-Rodger
Michael_Capulli
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Re: 24p Question...
has anybody tried the Premiere Pro Video Server from http://www.videotools.net/ ?? I have a demo of it and I believe it will allow you to link a premiere pro project directly into TMPGEnc without exporting a large file.
I also generally use CinemaCraft's MPEG encoder over TMPGEnc because it pretty much renders in realtime if you do 1pass or CBR. If you do like a 2-Pass VBR it will take twice as long as your project. It doesn't have as many features and settings as TMPGEnc... such as letterboxing / resizing / noise reduction and assorted filters... but its great and fast for straight MPEG2 encoding. Its worlds better than Adobe's encoder IMHO.
has anybody tried the Premiere Pro Video Server from http://www.videotools.net/ ?? I have a demo of it and I believe it will allow you to link a premiere pro project directly into TMPGEnc without exporting a large file.
I also generally use CinemaCraft's MPEG encoder over TMPGEnc because it pretty much renders in realtime if you do 1pass or CBR. If you do like a 2-Pass VBR it will take twice as long as your project. It doesn't have as many features and settings as TMPGEnc... such as letterboxing / resizing / noise reduction and assorted filters... but its great and fast for straight MPEG2 encoding. Its worlds better than Adobe's encoder IMHO.