24p Nightmare!!!

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King Rudi

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I'm really considering giving up on 24p! I just completed my 4th wedding in 24 HOPING that I would get this one right. It looked fine on my pc, and I was super excited....till I played it on my home dvd player and the video was so strobey I almost had a heart attack!

I have researched this for months, and nothing seems to work:( Thus, I am putting out one last request, on last desperate request for someone that knows how to take 24p footage, edit, and end up with a DVD that actually plays properly on a DVD player, to please, please, please, write a detailed workflow of how they perform this seemingly impossible task, I, and no doubt many others, will be HIGHY appreciative!!

Many thanks!
 
So many things could be the issue.

Did you make sure it stayed 24 for the entire post production; have your shutter at 1/48, 1/50 or 1/60; move slow enough; make dvd with high enough bitrate; use slomo in editing; and last but not least did you get it right before you asked somebody to pay you for it?
 
As the above poster stated, Shutter speed is a huge factor when it comes to 24p. If you dropped it to 24 to get a bit more light, well then there's not much you can do.

If your using premiere, you can try turning off frame blend, when you rt. click the clip on the timeline, you will find the option. Once in a while it helps with strobing, I feel for you. It's huge anxiety discovering a severe issue before delivery.
 
If it looked fine on your computer but then the problem came with DVD, then most likely the problem was your export settings.

However, give the details of everything from start to finish: camera, shooting mode, sequence settings, export settings, Encore settings. Be as detailed as you can.
 
Hey guys, thanks for the help so far. As for the first comment, I did get it right eventually (but only to an acceptable level, not like I initially wanted it). Anyways, I'm busy uploading two clips taken from the current video, maybe that will give more clues. This is my workflow:

1) Shot on a Canon XL2, 24p, 1/48 shutter

2) Edited on Premiere 29.97 timeline

3) Interpreted footage as "29.97 framerate, unticked remove pulldown, progressive field order"

4) Exported as...well, basically every setting variation I could possibly try:/

To be quite honest, the above workflow is one of the many, MANY workflows I've attempted, all which have not yielded satisfactory results. That's why I was hoping that someone here could show me theirs so that I could learn from it, as everything I've tried myself just does not seem to work:/ The initial footage looks fine, so I'm guessing it's something to do with my workflow. I've also tried first applying IVTC to the footage in VirtualDub before importing into Premiere. I write my DVD's with Encore. Why is 24p so difficult to work with? I'm thinking of maybe just shooting in 60i and then "converting" to 24, but obviously I'd prefer to have true 24. Here are the video links: http://www.mediafire.com/?y1mrppdi73grypb and http://www.mediafire.com/?cqsr4ja8eccqfre. I appreciate your help guys, really do.
 
King Rudi said:
2) Edited on Premiere 29.97 timeline

3) Interpreted footage as "29.97 framerate, unticked remove pulldown, progressive field order"
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That will be your problem. You are unnecessarily converting the footage to 30p by interpreting it as such. Converting 24p to 30p always produces strobing and ghosting.

Assuming you're using Premiere Pro CS2 or later:

Capture the video.

Edit in a an NTSC-24p sequence and export as DVD-compliant 23.976 progressive MPEG-2. Do NOT disable pulldown removal.

24p is easy to work with; you just have to stay in 24p. Editing and exporting as 29.97 will produce the problems you're seeing.

Also, shoot 24pA.
 
Really? Ah no, that means I'm gonna have to re-edit the whole wedding again ha ha, sigh... Thanks very, very much for that info though! What then would be the workflow from Premiere -> After Effects -> Premiere? (my life will be complete when I understand this whole 24p thing ha ha:) )
 
Just make a new 24p sequence, click and drag your edited piece from the 30p timeline to the 24p timeline... Wala, no reediting.
 
Actually, going from 30 to 24 may well require some 'reediting', as the you will find the end of clips on a 30 fps sequence don't always fall at the proper 'end of frame' in a 24 fps sequence.
 
Thanks for all the help guys! :) I will keep you posted when I go back home next week and see what I can do with the project. Not looking forward to re-editing the whole thing, I spent like a solid month f editing on it:/ Anyways, thanks again, REALLY appreciate your guys help!!!
 
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