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24p and 25 p (PAL)
- Thread starter Johan
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Barry_Green
Moderator
Re: 24p and 25 p (PAL)
Well, the difference is that one is recorded in the NTSC system and one is recorded in PAL, so one will be viewable in half the world and the other will be viewable in the other half...
Are you asking if someone would be able to tell the difference in motion between 24P and 25P? I don't think there's any quantifiable perceptable difference. If you were looking for a film transfer, PAL will involve a 4% speed change, but give you 20% more vertical pixels to compensate. But the NTSC camera lets you shoot at 30P so you can get a frame-accurate perfect slow-motion shot on the NTSC camera, which the PAL camera can't do.
Well, the difference is that one is recorded in the NTSC system and one is recorded in PAL, so one will be viewable in half the world and the other will be viewable in the other half...
Are you asking if someone would be able to tell the difference in motion between 24P and 25P? I don't think there's any quantifiable perceptable difference. If you were looking for a film transfer, PAL will involve a 4% speed change, but give you 20% more vertical pixels to compensate. But the NTSC camera lets you shoot at 30P so you can get a frame-accurate perfect slow-motion shot on the NTSC camera, which the PAL camera can't do.
Re: 24p and 25 p (PAL)
Thanks Guru Barry,
I do not own a DVX yet, but will buy a 100A PAL soon.
So, the PAL version does not have 24P or 24P A , but it does have 25P mode, right ?
Will that mean I can use my existing Premiere 6.5 to edit the 25P ? Or shall I switch to Vegas / Avid ?
(I have no intention to transfer to film)
Thanks Guru Barry,
I do not own a DVX yet, but will buy a 100A PAL soon.
So, the PAL version does not have 24P or 24P A , but it does have 25P mode, right ?
Will that mean I can use my existing Premiere 6.5 to edit the 25P ? Or shall I switch to Vegas / Avid ?
(I have no intention to transfer to film)
Barry_Green
Moderator
Re: 24p and 25 p (PAL)
The PAL version has 25P and 50i. The NTSC version has 24P, 24PA, 30P, and 60i.
For PAL you will have no headaches about pulldown, etc. You could use any editor (including Premiere 6.5) with no problems at all.
The PAL version has 25P and 50i. The NTSC version has 24P, 24PA, 30P, and 60i.
For PAL you will have no headaches about pulldown, etc. You could use any editor (including Premiere 6.5) with no problems at all.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Re: 24p and 25 p (PAL)
I abandoned Premiere after 6.0, so I may or may not be right, but I believe it handles it as 50i, unless you go into the project properties and tell it to use "No Fields". Then, it probably should actually handle it as 25P.
I abandoned Premiere after 6.0, so I may or may not be right, but I believe it handles it as 50i, unless you go into the project properties and tell it to use "No Fields". Then, it probably should actually handle it as 25P.
Re: 24p and 25 p (PAL)
Well, after checking I found something that make me more confused.
I use a Canopus Raptor RT2 board for capture, color correcting etc.
In its video setup, it shows a "manual" dropdown button, you can choose from 1fps to 30 fps ( incl. 23,98 and 24 ), while in general setup, you can choose 24,25,29.7, and 30
I found the " No field" option in Keyframe and rendering.
Does that mean premiere+raptor rt2 can handle 24p, 25p etc ?
I tried to search in Canopus manual, could not find any info.
Well, after checking I found something that make me more confused.
I use a Canopus Raptor RT2 board for capture, color correcting etc.
In its video setup, it shows a "manual" dropdown button, you can choose from 1fps to 30 fps ( incl. 23,98 and 24 ), while in general setup, you can choose 24,25,29.7, and 30
I found the " No field" option in Keyframe and rendering.
Does that mean premiere+raptor rt2 can handle 24p, 25p etc ?
I tried to search in Canopus manual, could not find any info.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Re: 24p and 25 p (PAL)
Never used a Raptor, so I don't know. You could try asking over on the Canopus user forums.
The main problem with Premiere and 24P editing has been the lack of a DV codec that could run at 24fps. I believe the Quicktime codec can encode DV material at 24fps, so you could use DVFilm Maker software to convert your 24fps DVX footage to be a "pure" 24P Quicktime, and then edit it in Premiere.
For PAL, this should be a non-issue, you should be able to edit 25fps natively.
Never used a Raptor, so I don't know. You could try asking over on the Canopus user forums.
The main problem with Premiere and 24P editing has been the lack of a DV codec that could run at 24fps. I believe the Quicktime codec can encode DV material at 24fps, so you could use DVFilm Maker software to convert your 24fps DVX footage to be a "pure" 24P Quicktime, and then edit it in Premiere.
For PAL, this should be a non-issue, you should be able to edit 25fps natively.