I am going shoot the inside of a house with mostly pans from a tripod. I want to achieve the "look" I get with the default 24pA settings, but avoid the stuttering on the video as I pan. I am tempted to just go with scene file 6 and switch from 24p to 60i but I am wondering if there may be a less obvious and perhaps better way to go?
24P Adv "Look" at 60i??
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Re: 24P Adv "Look" at 60i??
play w/ the shutter for one. If the pans are slow you shouldn't be having too much of a problem. 24fps has a top speed per degree of arc for panning as stated in the ASC manual.
Your 60i will look ...well...60i. You can try a deinterlace program for that & see how it looks.
i would carefully test many settings before hand & find the limitations of the 24pa,
but more importantly I would really look hard into the motivation and results for & of a bunch of panning. A pan is useful for revealing information to the audience bit by bit. Too much can be annoying. Good cuts often work better, especially if there is dead space for the camera to travel through. I've seen too many student films with panning that is uncalled for and looks amateurish because there is empty space ( doesn't help the story, just wastes everyone time and attention). Yours maynot look this way, but I always get nervous when i hear about lots of panning...that's just my taste and advice. Others probablly have better advice on this than I.
play w/ the shutter for one. If the pans are slow you shouldn't be having too much of a problem. 24fps has a top speed per degree of arc for panning as stated in the ASC manual.
Your 60i will look ...well...60i. You can try a deinterlace program for that & see how it looks.
i would carefully test many settings before hand & find the limitations of the 24pa,
but more importantly I would really look hard into the motivation and results for & of a bunch of panning. A pan is useful for revealing information to the audience bit by bit. Too much can be annoying. Good cuts often work better, especially if there is dead space for the camera to travel through. I've seen too many student films with panning that is uncalled for and looks amateurish because there is empty space ( doesn't help the story, just wastes everyone time and attention). Yours maynot look this way, but I always get nervous when i hear about lots of panning...that's just my taste and advice. Others probablly have better advice on this than I.
Re: 24P Adv "Look" at 60i??
I am basically creating a dvd of the inside of a house for a potential buyer. I considered just doing stills, but my feeling was that a panned video might give a better overall feel for the layout of the house. I thought I'd set up a tripod in the corner of each room and pan 180 deg or so, then move on to the next room. I am new at this, so very open to any suggestions. I tried what I thought was a slow pan, maybe 10 sec or so for the full 180 deg, but still see a fair amount of annoying studdering. A slower shutter speed will give more perceived smoothness to the video?
I am basically creating a dvd of the inside of a house for a potential buyer. I considered just doing stills, but my feeling was that a panned video might give a better overall feel for the layout of the house. I thought I'd set up a tripod in the corner of each room and pan 180 deg or so, then move on to the next room. I am new at this, so very open to any suggestions. I tried what I thought was a slow pan, maybe 10 sec or so for the full 180 deg, but still see a fair amount of annoying studdering. A slower shutter speed will give more perceived smoothness to the video?
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Re: 24P Adv "Look" at 60i??
Real Estate video...60i would be fine. anything with a dramartic intent needs 24 or 30 P.
The P progressive gives a solid picture that resembles film, i looks video...nothing wrong with that.
Just take your time on the pans.
The studder: try a practice 5 minutes in your NLE and then burn it to a DVD and see if the studder is still there. besides that once agin play with the shutter speed, 50 for 24p, 60 for normal 30p or 60i.
Real Estate video...60i would be fine. anything with a dramartic intent needs 24 or 30 P.
The P progressive gives a solid picture that resembles film, i looks video...nothing wrong with that.
Just take your time on the pans.
The studder: try a practice 5 minutes in your NLE and then burn it to a DVD and see if the studder is still there. besides that once agin play with the shutter speed, 50 for 24p, 60 for normal 30p or 60i.
Re: 24P Adv "Look" at 60i??
The house I am doing it for is pretty high end, so I am kinda going for a dramatic effect. I will play with shutter tomorrow, and try the 60i just to compare. My thought was if I could use the gamma, matrix, etc settings of 24pa, but set to 60i, I might be able to avoid the studder but still get some of the drama look. Thanks much for your help.
The house I am doing it for is pretty high end, so I am kinda going for a dramatic effect. I will play with shutter tomorrow, and try the 60i just to compare. My thought was if I could use the gamma, matrix, etc settings of 24pa, but set to 60i, I might be able to avoid the studder but still get some of the drama look. Thanks much for your help.
Re: 24P Adv "Look" at 60i??
Yes. 30p is your best bet there. You can't cheat 24p, and there will be a noticeable difference between 24p and 60i.
Yes. 30p is your best bet there. You can't cheat 24p, and there will be a noticeable difference between 24p and 60i.
Barry_Green
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Re: 24P Adv "Look" at 60i??
All the settings are equally applicable to 24p, 30p, or 60i (except THICK/THIN, which is not enabled for 60i). So yes, you could use a filmic setting that you like, and then swap to 60i and retain much of the look, only losing the 24P look.
Which is the single most-important element in the entire "film look" chain, I strongly assert... however, for your specific usage, I'm assuming that you're only panning around the house, right? No people or other movement? If that's the case, that's the main situation where 60i will excel over 24p or even 30p. I'd vote to try 60i with cinegamma, cinematrix, boosted color etc...
Ideally, bring a field monitor (or even a TV) with you so you can test it in the field.
All the settings are equally applicable to 24p, 30p, or 60i (except THICK/THIN, which is not enabled for 60i). So yes, you could use a filmic setting that you like, and then swap to 60i and retain much of the look, only losing the 24P look.
Which is the single most-important element in the entire "film look" chain, I strongly assert... however, for your specific usage, I'm assuming that you're only panning around the house, right? No people or other movement? If that's the case, that's the main situation where 60i will excel over 24p or even 30p. I'd vote to try 60i with cinegamma, cinematrix, boosted color etc...
Ideally, bring a field monitor (or even a TV) with you so you can test it in the field.
Re: 24P Adv "Look" at 60i??
There are no people or other moving objects in the video of the house. It is just meant for a potential buyer to get a pretty good feel for what the inside of house is like without actually being there. I tried 30p with the default 24pa settings, and that was a noticable improvement with the studder. I haven't tried 60i yet, but that is next. The improved sensitivity of 60i (I think it is a stop or so more sensitve?) may help out here as well.
There are no people or other moving objects in the video of the house. It is just meant for a potential buyer to get a pretty good feel for what the inside of house is like without actually being there. I tried 30p with the default 24pa settings, and that was a noticable improvement with the studder. I haven't tried 60i yet, but that is next. The improved sensitivity of 60i (I think it is a stop or so more sensitve?) may help out here as well.