24p, 60, and 30fps. Which timeline settings are best?

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dltom

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So we're making a film that will be using 24p, 60i, and 29.97 frame rate clips. I've read about conforming and what not, but my question is what timeline settings are going to be my best bet here? Do I want to have a 24fps, 60fps, or 30fps timeline? I have Adobe Premiere or Vegas at my disposal to edit.

My other question is, when I import one clip that is 60frames, it imports at 59.XXfps. Yet when I import 60i footage from a XH-A1 into premiere, it imports as 29.97. Why the difference? (not sure what camera shot the 59.XX footage).

So generally, wondering what my best approach is for using all these different clips without losing to much resolution conforming or too many headaches editing!

Thanks
Tom
 
dltom said:
So we're making a film that will be using 24p, 60i, and 29.97 frame rate clips. I've read about conforming and what not, but my question is what timeline settings are going to be my best bet here? Do I want to have a 24fps, 60fps, or 30fps timeline? I have Adobe Premiere or Vegas at my disposal to edit.
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Simple answers (someone may come along and give a more tech version.

Always best to conform frame rates down rather than up. With 60i its a far easier to conform to 24 (which is actually 23.976).


My other question is, when I import one clip that is 60frames, it imports at 59.XXfps. Yet when I import 60i footage from a XH-A1 into premiere, it imports as 29.97. Why the difference? (not sure what camera shot the 59.XX footage).
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60i actually equals 60 fields per second (or half frames). The half frames combine to create 29.97 full frames per second.

Is this 720 or 1080?
 
This is 1080.

So the footage that imported as 59.XX was probably 60p not 60i? How would I put that on a 29.97 timeline and maintain real time speed (ie not not slowing/speeding the actual footage)?
 
Not to sound like a male reproductive organ, but I'd advise you read up on frame rates as well as broadcast and DVD/Blu Ray standards.

What are you outputting to? The web? BD? DVD? Hollywood? Why will you have you many different fps clips?
 
Phil1076 said:
Not to sound like a male reproductive organ, but I'd advise you read up on frame rates as well as broadcast and DVD/Blu Ray standards.

What are you outputting to? The web? BD? DVD? Hollywood? Why will you have you many different fps clips?
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I agree, I definitely need to read up and get educated on the subject. In posting this, was hoping to get nudged in the right direction by someone who's been down a similar path.

We are outputting to web and DVD. We have different fps because the footage came from a variety of 3rd parties and different cams (RED, Sony, Canon, POV cams, etc). My two main concerns are getting these different rates onto one timeline without messing with the "tempo" of the action in the clips, while minimizing resolution loss.
 
My advice is to correctly convert all frame rates to one and not let any NLE "take care of it".
 
In 1080, the common frame rate between all of those is 60i (59.94i). If you use that, each will retain its motion style and still appear as it did when you shot it.

If you convert between frame rates, you change the style of motion, especially if you convert from a faster frame rate to a slower frame rate, and if you convert between certain frame rates, you may get bad results.

Best thing to do -- unless you're TRYING to have different motion styles within your project, then just shoot everything at the same frame rate. There's really no sense in shooting multiple frame rates just because you can.
 
David Jimerson said:
In 1080, the common frame rate between all of those is 60i (59.94i). If you use that, each will retain its motion style and still appear as it did when you shot it.

If you convert between frame rates, you change the style of motion, especially if you convert from a faster frame rate to a slower frame rate, and if you convert between certain frame rates, you may get bad results.

Best thing to do -- unless you're TRYING to have different motion styles within your project, then just shoot everything at the same frame rate. There's really no sense in shooting multiple frame rates just because you can.
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I agree, that originally shooting all in the same FR is the way to go. Unfortunately our footage can not be reshot.

If I go with a 59.94i timeline framerate, how will our 24p and 60p footage import?
 
Import is independent of sequence settings. They will be what they are.

Do you want all the footage to look the same, motion-wise, or do you want it all to look like a specific frame rate?
 
David Jimerson said:
Import is independent of sequence settings. They will be what they are.

Do you want all the footage to look the same, motion-wise, or do you want it all to look like a specific frame rate?
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yes my goal is for all footage to appear as if its the same frame rate and same motion wise.
 
Do you want it to be cinematic? Then you should convert it all to 24p (numerous ways to do that) and edit in a 24p sequence. The way you describe it, it's all 60i/p and 24p, so this should be doable.

There's no actual way to convert 24p footage to look "live," so you'll want to go the other way, most likely.
 
my goal is for all footage to appear as if its the same frame rate and same motion wise.
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Then your best bet is to shoot it that way. Don't shoot different types of footage for the same project.
 
David Jimerson said:
Do you want it to be cinematic? Then you should convert it all to 24p (numerous ways to do that) and edit in a 24p sequence. The way you describe it, it's all 60i/p and 24p, so this should be doable.

There's no actual way to convert 24p footage to look "live," so you'll want to go the other way, most likely.
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How would you recommend converting the 60i footage to 24p?
 
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