2 lavalieres one actor

lambert

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With zmt-3 flex announced this week just curious if there is a substantial benefit to putting 2 lavalier s on one actor in narrative work.
 
It makes sense for the sports application it was designed for. Having a lav on each side of a quarterbacks neck would help with sound attenuation when they look to the left or right. The same would hold true for an actor. There should be uses for it, but I wouldn't think it would become standard practice.
 
I see two lavs clipped onto a speakers tie sometimes...John Oliver for example. Is there a technique behind this or is it just a backup?
 
Lots of news casters have done the dual lav since the 70s. What I'm curious about is if you have lav on a baseball cap brim and one on the chest could you rival the quality of a well placed quality full sized mic. Glen sanders wrote this week that the dpa 6060 is very good compared to full sized mic. Sorry paraphrasing. He stopped short of saying it was as good full sized mic but interesting nonetheless.
 
It's for backup in general, and frequently done for live broadcasts, but in narrative it can save your neck if you end up with one mic rubbing and making rustling noises...
 
I wouldn't call the ZMT-3 a broadcast backup system. It only has one transmitter.

.... What I'm curious about is if you have lav on a baseball cap brim and one on the chest could you rival the quality of a well placed quality full sized mic. Glen sanders wrote this week that the dpa 6060 is very good compared to full sized mic. Sorry paraphrasing. He stopped short of saying it was as good full sized mic but interesting nonetheless.

I wouldn't think it has much advantage. You'd have to have the audio person riding the faders to decide which one to use and he won't be able to figure that out. You can't use both as they probably will interfere with each other, unless used as intended, as a stereo pair. Mixing them to mono would be a problem.
 
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The backup reference was to dual lavalier used in news anchors not the zmt flex. So the lavalier would interfere with each other?
 
So the lavalier would interfere with each other?

Maybe. If two microphones are receiving the same audio signal and they are mixed to a mono signal, the signals will add and subtract. In the case of two mics on a person, the distance is pretty close to equal. But they will still add and subtract from each other's signal. I've never done it so I don't know what that would sound like with the mics so close. My experience is with two lavs on two different people, where mixing to mono is an issue.
 
The backup reference was to dual lavalier used in news anchors not the zmt flex. So the lavalier would interfere with each other?

The lavs won't interfere with each other- you can certainly use two at once and even for stereo if it works for your production (don't mix to mono if any phase artifacts- pick the best one).

You could also do the common trick of setting one mic at normal and the other at lower gain to prevent clipping with unpredictable sources.

With the included internal recording you would be pretty safe re: backup.

It's also possible to do the opposite for ultra-low budget two actor / interviews / emergency (didn't bring another transmitter / one's broken / you can't mic the other person, etc.). If close together, a single mic can record two people good enough for internet-level work. If the subjects are facing each other, the results are even better. An example: https://www.youtube.com/embed/TyqVYeI8TZ8?vq=hd1080 (single Sennheiser G3, video is Canon ML 5D 3 RAW).
 
Broadcast TV studios use dual mics for backup.....
2x mics, 2x separate RF frequencies or better off on a news set cables, into 2x Rf receivers on separate power sources then to 2x different audio consoles, feeding 2 separate paths to a master control room.
Its all about backup, backup, backup......

If they are used as a backup try and use TOTALLY separate paths for as much as possible.... Or as the saying goes 'Never put all your eggs in one basket'
 
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